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To: Jerry_M
Just a question.

When we say no man is "willing" to come to salvation that would present a problem.

It appeared the rich young ruler was "willing" to come to Christ if he (the rich young ruler) could define the terms.

Many theologians and psychologists would place the "will" in the sphere of the soul not the spirit. Very few would argue that the soul was "dead".

On this basis I'm not real comfortable with the T definition. But then again, what do I know.

337 posted on 02/27/2002 1:28:53 PM PST by kcox
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To: kcox
Lots of people want salvation. Only the elect want to come to Christ (and all that this entails).

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - I Corinthians 12:3

For a one sentence definition of "T", I think that it will suffice. (We are, after all, trying to foster understanding among our Arminian FRiends.)

338 posted on 02/27/2002 1:34:08 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: kcox
Lots of people want salvation. Only the elect want to come to Christ (and all that this entails).

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - I Corinthians 12:3

For a one sentence definition of "T", I think that it will suffice. (We are, after all, trying to foster understanding among our Arminian FRiends.)

339 posted on 02/27/2002 1:35:07 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: kcox; Jerry_M
On this basis I'm not real comfortable with the T definition. But then again, what do I know.

Well, my version of the definition came nearly word for word from the Bible. The natural man is not willing to come to Christ that that they may have life.

But, like I said, I accept OP's definition!

342 posted on 02/27/2002 1:42:24 PM PST by CCWoody
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