[Jerry_M]

OK, looks as if we have clarification of what Calvinists mean when they speak about "Total Depravity". Now can we get the Arminian objection in one sentence?

[RnMomof7]

OK, looks as if we have clarification of what Calvinists mean when they speak about "Total Depravity". Now can we get the Arminian objection in one sentence?

OHHHH NO Can Wesleyans do that???:>))

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

OK, looks as if we have clarification of what Calvinists mean when they speak about "Total Depravity". Now can we get the Arminian objection in one sentence? 282 posted on 2/27/02 1:29 PM Pacific by Jerry_M

Wow, great counter-challenge.

And, it is only fair that they should step up to the plate.

(For this, I am going to make popcorn, sit back, and watch).

[xzins]

Now can we get the Arminian objection in one sentence?

Jerry, now don't get nervous. I was gonna get to that. Let's get tulip spelled out first. Do you accept orthopresby's definition?

U - condensation

U Unconditional Election Unconditional Election is the doctrine which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory and others for damnation (Romans 9:15,21). He has done this act before the foundations of the world (Ephesians 1:4-8). This doctrine does not rule out, however, man's responsibility to believe in the redeeming work of God the Son (John 3:16-18). Scripture presents a tension between God's sovereignty in salvation, and man's responsibility to believe which it does not try to resolve. Both are true -- to deny man's responsibility is to affirm an unbiblical hyper-calvinism; to deny God's sovereignty is to affirm an unbiblical Arminianism. The elect are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10). Thus, though good works will never bridge the gulf between man and God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" and "election" sure (2 Peter 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil.

Unconditional Election: BEFORE CREATION GOD HAS ELECTED FOR HIS OWN REASONS SOME FOR BELIEVING UNTO GLORY AND SOME FOR DAMNATION.

Will you all accept this as an acceptable condensation of "U"?