I'm willing to stand there brother. Are you willing to allow me to stand there and at least admit that I see the horizon a little differently?
Because surely you won't try to pull the "Because you say 'I am willing to let God be God' you've given me the debate," now would you? ;-)
Ol' Ward wasn't born yesterday (for the first or second time).
If you will agree with me that we will continue to work on our terminology until we are at least on the same minimal definition of Predestination. Ya' see, I am giving you your version of "free choice" for the sake of letting you see that God really is the One who predestines based upon His foreknowledge of His choices.
I'm really not trying to trap you. We can discuss the size of man tomorrow (xzins' persistence on the "T" aside). Today, I want to discuss the size of God.
Speaking of which:
Since you had no choice in your first birth, what makes you think you had a choice in your second birth? i.e. it wasn't I who thought up the analogy of "born again".
Jean