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To: Jerry_M
if the Holy Spirit had regenerated him and given him a heart of flesh

Is that the answer you speak of? That looks like a "yes."

So, then, it's more correct to say to the crowd, "Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, even yours." After the above, how can you not see that?

255 posted on 02/27/2002 11:45:32 AM PST by xzins
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To: jerrym, ccwoody, rnmomof7, orthodoxpresbyterian, ward smythe, forthedeclaration
Total Depravity (Total Inability) Total Depravity is probably the most misunderstood tenet of Calvinism. When Calvinists speak of humans as "totally depraved," they are making an extensive, rather than an intensive statement. The effect of the fall upon man is that sin has extended to every part of his personality -- his thinking, his emotions, and his will. Not necessarily that he is intensely sinful, but that sin has extended to his entire being. The unregenerate (unsaved) man is dead in his sins (Romans 5:12). Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the natural man is blind and deaf to the message of the gospel (Mark 4:11f). This is why Total Depravity has also been called "Total Inability." The man without a knowledge of God will never come to this knowledge without God's making him alive through Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5).

T - condensation:

Total Depravity means man is totally sinful and is not ABLE in his own power to know Christ.

Do you accept that as a fair, brief characterization of "total depravity?"

257 posted on 02/27/2002 11:50:50 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
"So, then, it's more correct to say to the crowd, "Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, even yours." After the above, how can you not see that?"

No, it is not correct at all. If Stalin (or anyone) did not receive salvation then they would not have their sins forgiven. How can you not see that? Take a look at the John Owen post (175?), don't you see your problem?

265 posted on 02/27/2002 12:06:01 PM PST by Jerry_M
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