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To: Jerry_M
The fact that what we share here (The free offer of the Gospel to all)...

To further quote you: "Oh, baloney." The Calvinist construct is so brutal, so cold-hearted, so contrary to a real offer of salvation to all that its modern-day defenders (blessedly few) are reduced to highjacking phrases and turning them into half-truths and then claiming that they are being misquoted or misunderstood when the logical premise is made clear.

The modern day defender of the construct says "we offer the Gospel to all" but then conveniently 'forgets' to add, "But it doesn't really matter since who is going to be saved and who is to be sent to hell was determined by our god 'before the foundation of the world.'" So, it's an "offer" (get it?) but not everyone can accept. Isn't that clever? Wow. And that's supposed to be the Calvinist's version of the "Good News".

Now just how is that "Good News" to one of the little children the Calvinists so proundly declare were damned to hell from the foundation of the world? Nope, you can keep your little "Good News" (good only for your little church group) and your proud damnation of little children and innocent babies and your little god (too small to be confused with the real God). I will take Jesus and His true offer of salvation, capable of being accepted by anyone -- anyone! -- who will believe in Him.

At least be honest enough to admit that, where the Bible teaches Christ died for all the ungodly, the construct teaches He only died for your little group and all others are damned without hope.

You know, there are many areas where I am willing to live and let live in Christian doctrine, but the true availability of salvation in Christ to everyone who believes is one I cannot compromise. And I personally think that telling people that Christ only died for some is pretty dangerous ground. I personally would not want to hear Christ say, "You told them what?"

182 posted on 02/27/2002 9:29:54 AM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill
Your 182 shows, once again, why I chose to not continue conversation with you on an earlier thread.

As a result, don't expect any more responses from me until you can develop the charity to concede that we can be Calvinist in theology and still make a legitimate free offer of the Gospel to all.

185 posted on 02/27/2002 9:37:32 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: winstonchurchill; Jerry_M
To further quote you: "Oh, baloney." The Calvinist construct is so brutal, so cold-hearted, so contrary to a real offer of salvation to all that its modern-day defenders (blessedly few) are reduced to highjacking phrases and turning them into half-truths and then claiming that they are being misquoted or misunderstood when the logical premise is made clear.

It is clear that you have no honest intention to either grant us our position or debate our position. You simply deny that we have a right to our position since you must distort it and declare it "brutal" and "cold-hearted". Your only intention it seems is show us your "Methodist Love"!

226 posted on 02/27/2002 11:13:16 AM PST by CCWoody
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