[xzins]

, it is soooo much easier to make up some "construct" in your mind and then set out to destroy it.

Jerry, you keep saying this at different moments. Why is it that everyone else in the entire world defines calvinism in terms of that fatalistic tulip formula EXCEPT for you folks that isn't calvinism.

Would you please, finally, write down the acronym and give a nice succinct definition of each of the points so we do know in one package what you do believe about tulip?

[Jerry_M]

This page on Calvinism does a pretty good job of succinctly presenting TULIP. Much better than anything posted to date on these recent threads.

It would also be a pretty good exercise to follow some of the links on the page as well, they lead to some really good material, not only on Calvin himself, but on Calvinism as a whole.