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To: xzins
Calvin did not teach the doctrine of Jesus, Paul, Peter, or any of the early church. He certainly didn't practice it. He taught a hard, unloving and unforgiving God and THAT is what he became himself, hard, unloving, and unforgiving.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy lives, but to save them.(Lk.9:54-56)

135 posted on 02/26/2002 10:41:47 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Behold, tomorrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail, such as hath not been seen in Egypt since the foundation thereof until now.

Send therefore now, and gather thy cattle, and all that thou hast in the field; for upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die.

He that feared the word of the Lord among the servants of Pharoah made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses:

And he that regarded not the word of Lord left his servants and his cattle in the field

And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heavan, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.

And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the Lord sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along the ground; and the Lord rained hail upon the land of Egypt.

So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in the history of Egypt since it became a nation.

And the hail smote the nation throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree in the field.

Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, was there no hail.

Ex 9:18-26

(See also Daniel 4:1-37) See Ro 9:18-23 (Ninevah and Jonah) It would appear to our innocent reader of the scriptures that taking the words of scripture at face value and in accordance to their common understood meaning at the time the words were written, total depravity is in contention, irresistable grace is in contention, unconditionality is most likely next to be contested.

The next issues needing addressing from a Protestant viewpoint - holding to la Sola Scriptura - are that of:

Limited attonement
persitance of the saints

See ya, :)

137 posted on 02/27/2002 1:33:57 AM PST by raygun
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