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To: Ward Smythe;CCWoody; the_doc;Jerry_M
BTW Ward..who's image is man made in?
You're grasping Mom.
If Adam was created in God's image, then his "image" was "God's image. So, if Seth was in Adam's "image," then...
Unless your saying that Adam's sin caused a complete makeover and he no longer had any of the God given attributes.

Do you really think I am grasping at straws? Do you really think a sinful man can EVER reproduce a child in a sinless Gods image? That is what original sin did .That is what total depravity is Ward

Lets see what Wesley says shall we?

3. Seth was born in the 130th year of Adam's life, and probably the murder of Abel was not long before. Many other sons and daughters were born to Adam besides Cain and Abel before this; but no notice is taken of them, because an honourable mention must be made of his name only, in whose loins Christ and the church were. But that which is most observable here concerning Seth, is, that Adam begat him in his own likeness after his image - Adam was made in the image of God; but when he was fallen and corrupted, he begat a son in his own image, sinful and defiled, frail and mortal, and miserable like himself; not only a man like himself, consisting of body and soul; but a sinner like himself, guilty and obnoxious, degenerate and corrupt. He was conceived and born in sin, Psalm li, 5. This was Adam's own likeness, the reverse of that Divine likeness in which Adam was made; but having lost it himself he could not convey it to his seed.

(Taken from Wesleys notes on Genesis)

Sure sounds like total depravity to me

Now from Adam Clarke

And begat a son in his own likeness, after his image] Words nearly the same with those chap. i. 26: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. What this image and likeness of God were, we have already seen, and we may rest assured that the same image and likeness are not meant here. The body of Adam was created provisionally immortal, i.e. while he continued obedient he could not die; but his obedience was voluntary, and his state a probationary one. The soul of Adam was created in the moral image of God, in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness. He had now sinned, and consequently had lost his moral resemblance to his Maker; he had also become mortal through his breach of the law. His image and likeness were therefore widely different at this time from what they were before; and his begetting children in this image and likeness plainly implies that they were imperfect like himself, mortal like himself, sinful and corrupt like himself. For it is impossible that he, being impure, fallen from the Divine image, could beget a pure and holy offspring, unless we could suppose it possible that a bitter fountain could send forth sweet waters, or that a cause could produce effects totally dissimilar from itself. What is said here of Seth might have been said of all the other children of Adam, as they were all begotten after his fall; but the sacred writer has thought proper to mark it only in this instance.

So what do you think? Did the fall matter?

131 posted on 02/26/2002 8:26:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
God created man in his own image meaning that man has intellect, emotion and will

If we look at God's attributes, you will see that he has a body as revealed by the theophany incarnate ie. Jesus Christ.

The Lord is spirit ie. having a personal, rational and moral sense.

However, the following attributes of God should be illustrative of the gulf that separates the created from the creator

emotion
intellect
anger
self-existant (Exodus 3:14; John 8)
immutable
perfection
righteousness
justice
loving
insomniac
eternal - father of time (Isaiah 9:6)
See II Pt 1:3 See Mt 16:17 How many men can clam their love is: undeserved
unselfish
absolutely free
righteous
eternal
divine
reciprocated
loving the unlovely (see Romans 5:6)
truthfull: dependable, not misrepresented nor exgagerated

Is God's image equal to God (see Jn 5:18)?

Can God's image be called any of the following:

Jehovah
Elohim
Adonai
Son of God
Lord
prototokos
monogenes

Is he any of the following:

Omniscient
Omnipresent
Omnipotent
Immutable
self-existant in:

Holyness (see Isa 6:1-5)
love (see Jn 16:27)
truth (see Jn 14:6)
eternal (see Isa 9:6)
pre-existant (see Micah 5:2; Dt 32:7; Isa 63:9; Amos 9:11, Jn 1:1-3,15,30, 17:5; Col 1:17; Phil 2:6-11, Isa 45:23)

Does man have the following privledges:

saving faith
forgiveness of sins
recieving worship
judge men (per Jn 5:22; Acts 17:31)

Don't get too hung up on the man created according to God's image.

133 posted on 02/26/2002 9:16:48 PM PST by raygun
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To: RnMomof7
Did the fall matter?

Did I ever say it didn't matter? I don't think so.

141 posted on 02/27/2002 3:11:16 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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