No we never had a consentrated discussion on total depravity..I agree with OP that we need to clear that one out before moving on !
Agree with him all you want. I'm moving on. I've asked for definitions and I keep getting this same stone wall. You force me to go to calvinist websites to find the answers. So be it.
I'm really interested in the education value: for all of us, for lurkers, readers, participants, freepers, etc.
Gotta go, Mom. Church beckons. Don't you all do Wednesday and Sunday night church?
OP agreed with xzins one sentence description of Total Depravity. xzins is merely continuing, as he set out to do, and as he said he would do before OP said if he didn't get it his way, he'd take his Institutes and go home.
Allow xzins to finish his chart. Then we can frame the whole discussion.
You wouldn't want us to assume you couldn't defend it when we see it all at once would you?
I didn't think so.