[Ward Smythe]

Have you got your book yet?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought the adults were talking.

[RnMomof7]

Actually it is more like a bar room brawl with your side Yelling and screaming and picking up fighters where ever they can find them.

We stand on the Rock..the stumbling stone

1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

[Ward Smythe]

As of this afternoon, in addition to the excellent charts xzins is providing to frame our discussion, we have now established the following:

FACT #1: The Calvinists have been accused, tried and convicted of PRIDE by their very own words claiming "they have all the answers."

FACT #2: We have established the following definitions of grace:

Wesleyan/Arminian: The grace or love of God, whence cometh our salvation, is FREE IN ALL, and FREE FOR ALL.

Calvinist/Borg: Resistance is futile.

FACT #3: Calvinism is good because the Mormons say it is bad.

FACT #4: Calvinists believe truth is relative. Truth can only be eternal truth IF it agrees with the Calvinists.

FACT #5: Calvinists do not disapprove of adultery, murder or incest, because after all, the Mormons do.

Number 4 and Number 5 may be withdrawn once the Calvinists acknowledge that some truths are eternal and that even the unregenerate may grasp some truth.