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To: Ward Smythe
We disagree with it, but we know what it is.

No, you really don't. You don't know, for instance, how a Calvinist can say that God created Hitler and that Hitler could not do anything outside the will of God and yet God is not responsible for the evil that Hitler did. You really don't know it because you continue to misstate our beliefs in this.

And you yet don't know how a Calvinist can say that the Bible explains how simple an answer it is to explain how somebody believes in a saving way.

You really don't know much of anything about Calvinism.

1,144 posted on 03/02/2002 6:43:19 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
You don't know, for instance, how a Calvinist can say that God created Hitler and that Hitler could not do anything outside the will of God and yet God is not responsible for the evil that Hitler did. You really don't know it because you continue to misstate our beliefs in this.

I am "QUOTING" your beliefs, or that of your compatriot in this:

In Post #213 I say to OrthodoxPresbyterian:
"So God is responsible for the evil of the Soviet Union?"

He responds:
"So, ultimately, yes -- God is responsible for everything."

It was not until Post #1094 that forthedeclaration, a Wesleyan, pointed out that Calvin might view this diffrently.

In this regard, it appears that the Calvinists are not on the same page of the hymnal.

If you guys disagree on what you believe, you can't fault me for being confused.

1,149 posted on 03/02/2002 7:04:07 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: CCWoody
Your #1144 to Ward: No, you really don't. You don't know, for instance, how a Calvinist can say that God created Hitler and that Hitler could not do anything outside the will of God and yet God is not responsible for the evil that Hitler did. You really don't know it because you continue to misstate our beliefs in this.

It would be useful to see you try to explain it. I think I know why you don't (because it doesn't hold together, or because you just say you have to believe two contradictory things).

What you Calvinists say to yourselves to justify your misinterpretations of the Bible is not binding on anyone else. Our obligation is not to properly understand Calvinism, but to properly understand the Word of God.

1,183 posted on 03/03/2002 2:46:31 AM PST by White Mountain
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