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To: Jean Chauvin, Rnmomof7,Xzins,Ward smythe, White Mountain, WinstonChurchill
Hey,thanks for letting me know about that!" Hey, no problem. It has to do with, you know, that pearls before swine stuff.

I'll just consider the source of that statement.

"Actually Isa.45:7 is relating to the 'evil' of divine judgement, not 'evil' in that which is contrary to God goodness. In other words, God will judge and discipline those who reject His will. This 'evil' is not His directive will (as Calvinists would state it), but God permits it since He has given man a choice. (Rom.10:21, Ezk,33:11, for the individual christian Heb.12:6) The companion verse is Amos 3:6, "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city and the Lord hath not done it Thus, this type of 'evil' comes from rejecting God, it is judgement." The King James says "I...create evil"! What are you talking about? I see no reference to 'judgement' in this verse. If the translators of the King James would have thought that this was in reference to God's judgement, they would have put the english word 'judgement' in the text -i.e. 'I...create evil judgement'.

Hey aren't you the guy who said you are suppose to 'compare scripture with scripture' Right in the chapter is one of the favorite proof texts of the Calvinists, (vs.9:20) showing that the passage (repeated in Romans) is not referring to individuals but to the future of Israel. In fact, the chapter itself is dealing with the prophetic nature of God and how (He alone being God could predict future events) Thus, God would raise up Cyrus (by name) to deliver the Jews from the bondage that they had not yet gone into. Vs 7 refers to the fact that God brings judgements and relief (peace and evil) on nations as a judgement. Context determines meaning, not out of context proof-texting'

Then again, I do not subscribe to the (It can't really be saying what it says because that wouldn't fit with my theology so I must change the definition of the words that it uses as to conform with my pre-existing theologies) FTD Hermeneutic. Sorry FTD, the Authorized (By God) Version states that God created evil -plain and simple. I'm gonna take the simple true words of the KJV over your words any day!

There are three ways to distort scripture, add to it, subtract from it and drop the context! Calvinists love to avoid any context, hence their misinterpretations of Rom.9-11!

God created evil only in the sense that He made sorrow, wretchedness,etc, to be the sure fruits of sin (Scofield study Bible,p.754)
However, I am glad 'John' that you are willing to admit that Calvinism makes God the author of sin,
Hence recourse is had to the evasion that this is done only by the permission, and not also by the will of God...That men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God and do not discuss and deliberate on anything but what he has previousley decreed with himself and brings to pass by his secret direction...( Calvins Institutes, Bk1,Chapter 18)
Thus, according to Calvin,(and Augustine) every evil act ever commited was done because God wanted it to happen so He would be glorified! Well, glory to God!

Thanks again for mentioning the KJB!

1,088 posted on 03/02/2002 1:10:44 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Thus, according to Calvin,(and Augustine) every evil act ever commited was done because God wanted it to happen so He would be glorified! Well, glory to God!

Glory to God ftd......Praise His Holy Name!

Was God glorified by the flood that killed most all living things? Was God glorified by the distruction of Sodom? Was God glorified by the slaughter of the Egyptians? Was God glorified as a result of the Egyptian army being drowned?

Exd 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations.

Exd 9:16 And in very deed for this [cause] have I raised thee up, for to shew [in] thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

1,090 posted on 03/02/2002 1:47:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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