"Were you out late partying and fail to check on the kids when you came home?"

Ocassionally, when I have been out with friends, and my wife stayed home with the kids, I come home and ask her if they were OK, and then I go to bed rather than risking the chance that I may wake them up.

The van Dam's made an error in judgement, most likely based on the fact that a person should be able to reasonably assume that no one has entered your house, while you were home, and stole one of your kids.

Let me ask you, have you NEVER made errors in judgement when it came to your kids?

The problem with your argument is that you have zero proof as to what the actions of the parents have ever been! You have rumours, and innuendo, and zero credibility.

Oh good grief Loois, it is a nice day up here in Fresno, and I am in a good mood......So.....at the risk of forfeiting my FR privileges, I will respond to your psychobabble.........

So Loois, what about these "rumors" as you call them.........

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Danielle Last Seen Several Days Ago

Danielle's parents told investigators that the last time either of them saw their daughter was when her father, Damon van Dam, put her to bed about 10 p.m. Friday, according to 10News.

His wife told police that when she returned from a night out with friends around 2:30 a.m. Saturday, she noticed a side door open to the residence, but did not think to check on Danielle or the girl's two young brothers.

Westerfield told authorities that he had run across Brenda van Dam and her companions at a Poway bar Friday night.

"They were having a good time, just playing pool with people and joking around," Westerfield said earlier this week, adding that he'd danced with his neighbor before leaving around 10:30 p.m.

Police do not consider the parents suspects in Danielle's disappearance, though no one has been completely ruled out, Collins said earlier.

Danielle's mother, Brenda van Dam, told 10News that she and her husband had taken lie detector tests regarding their version of the weekend's events. She did not say if she knew the results of the tests

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What about this guy who spent the day with the VD crew????

This is an interesting BULLETIN that Douglas Pierce has forwarded to San Diego County Child Protective Services..

Douglas Howard Pierce, Founder
On 02-05-02 9 PM PST A Reward of $10,000 has been offered for the safe return of Danielle van Dam, age 7 of San Diego, CA
(This offer continues to be valid 02-08-02)

***************U P D A T E

Douglas Pierce, President- Founder of Millennium Children's Fund Made the following report on 02-09-02, 2:44pm PST. Reported to Department
of Social Services- Child Protective Services-San Diego County 1-858-560-2191 The C.P.S. report is available to the general public on 02-11-02, call 1-858-694-5191 under the name (van Dam). The statements to C.P.S. are as follows:

California Child Welfare Act provides and is mandated to provide the following requests made by Douglas Pierce:

1. IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF THE REMAINING van DAM CHILDREN.
2. TEMPORARY CUSTODY TO GRANDPARENTS.
3. IMMEDIATE GRIEF COUNSELING FOR CHILDREN.

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS BY DOUGLAS PIERCE, IN THE C.P.S. REPORT (I DIRECTLY PLEA WITH THE van Dam PARENTS TO PLEASE LET YOUR TWO REMAINING CHILDREN TO GO HOME WITH GRANDPARENTS) (A DANGEROUS LIFESTYLE IN THE van Dam HOME EXISTS, ALL CHILDREN ARE TO BE CONSIDERED IN DANGER.) (ADULTS LIFESTYLE AND THE SHAME OR MORAL JUDGMENT THAT MAY COME SHOULD BE SECONDARY TO THE WELFARE, AND RETURN OF DANIELLE, OR ANY OR ANY CHILD IN DANGER.)

THIS IS THE ENTIRE STATEMENT TO C.P.S. *

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Major ritual "sabbat" dates on the Occultist/Witchcraft/Satanism calendar.

DATE: October 31 NAME: *SAMHAIN; ALL HALLOWS' EVE; HALLOWEEN; NOVEMBER EVE WITCHCRAFT: Rituals to contact the dead SATANISTS: Sexual and blood rituals with animal or humans & animal or human sacrifice
DATE: December 21/22 NAME: YULE; WINTER SOLSTICE; WITCHCRAFT: Rituals celebrating the rebirth of the sun SATANISTS: Sexual rituals, animal or human
DATE: February 2** NAME: IMBOLIC; IMBOK; CANDLEMAS; OIMELE; LADY DAY; BRIGID DAY WITCHCRAFT: Sexual rituals; Celtic triple goddess Brigid honored. SATANISM: Sexual rituals, human
DATE: MARCH 20/21 NAME: Spring Equinox; Vernal Equinox WITCHCRAFT: This is a fertility sabbat. Pagans celebrate the coming of fertility of the earth; Sexual rituals celebrated by various groups. SATANISM: Orgies held; Animal or human sacrifices
DATE: April 30 NAME: *BELTANE; MAY EVE; ROODMAS DAY; WALPURGISNACHT WITCHCRAFT: Rituals focusing on the love between male & female. In fact, many pagan hand castings (weddings) take place at this sabbat. Rituals celebrating the fertility of the Mother Goddess (Earth) are carried out. SATANISTS: Blood rituals; Animal or human sacrifices
DATE: JUNE 21 NAME: SUMMER SOLSTICE; MIDSUMMER'S EVE; WITCHES: Bonfire rituals SATANISTS: Orgies; Animal or human sacrifices
DATE: AUGUST 1 NAME: LUGNASADH (Named for Celtic Solar god Lugh);LAMMAS DAY WITCHES: Harvest rituals SATANISTS: Animal or Human sacrifice
DATE: SEPTEMBER 21 to 23 (Date varies annually) NAME: AUTUMN EQUINOX WITCHES: Some covens have rituals reenacting Pluto or Hades (grim god of death) forcefully carrying of Persephone (young goddess of life) to the underworld. SATANISTS: Sexual orgies and or animal and human sacrifice.

**February 2, 2002 Danielle van Dam, Age 7, reported missing by parents to San Diego Police Department

I've mad lots of errors, including losing track of my son in the mall. My kids are adults now, but when they were kids, I never went to bed without being sure they were home.

The real question about the VDs is not whether they had bad luck during a momentary lapse of judgement, but whether they were frequently out of the home or locked away in the garage. (Had they, for exmple, made any provision for handling a fire in the main part of the house. And what about illness? Seven year olds are prone to wake up in the middle of the night with coughs, sore throats, etc.)

Parents usually give up some of their freedom and privacy when they become parents.

I understand your concern, however, and will withhold judgement of these particular people until I hear more. And I would never excuse the perp in any way, even if the parents turn out to be consistently neglectful. No on is responsible for another adult's actions. But I think parents who hear about this will tend to be more careful.