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Pennsylvania State Trooper Fatally Shoots Woman Who Answers The Door Armed With Shotgun
Associated Press / SFGate

Posted on 02/23/2002 9:00:18 AM PST by RCW2001

Pennsylvania state trooper fatally shoots woman who answers the door armed with shotgun
JOE MANDAK, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, February 23, 2002
©2002 Associated Press

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/02/23/national1229EST0497.DTL

(02-23) 09:29 PST PITTSBURGH (AP) --

A state trooper responding to a report of fighting at a suburban apartment complex Saturday shot and killed a woman who answered her door armed with a shotgun, police said.

Bonnie F. Bugosh, 42, of East Huntingdon Township, about 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, was hit with a one bullet from the trooper's gun, said state police spokeswoman Jeanne Martin.

It was not immediately known if the shotgun Bugosh held was loaded.

Martin said a resident at the Laurel Hill Apartments complex called police around midnight to report a fight in a hallway. Initial reports indicated that Bugosh's daughter, who is in her late teens or early 20s, may have been involved in the fight, but it wasn't immediately clear who directed police to Bugosh's apartment or why, Martin said.

Neighbors told the troopers that Bugosh was home and that her car was parked outside, but the officers got no response to repeated knocks and a demand that the door be opened, Martin said. When Bugosh did open the door, she allegedly pointed a shotgun at the troopers, and one them fired, Martin said.

Neither trooper's name was released.

There will be an internal investigation, which is routine whenever a trooper fires his weapon, Martin said.

A message left on the answering machine at Bugosh's apartment on Saturday was not immediately returned.

©2002 Associated Press  


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To: cynicom
"In this case, one has to go with the cop. Nature of the business."

By your reasoning, kind of makes the following useless:

"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right (not privilege) of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The "nature of the business" is the other way around. Cops cannot shoot before they are shot at. That is the "nature of the business."

Otherwise, the 2nd amendment and similar "right to keep and bear arms" amendments in state constitutions, are meaningless.

A cop does not have a "right" to shoot a person, just because a weapon was pointed at them.

They have the "privilege," bestowed on them from the consent of the govern, to shoot at citizens who shoot at them or at others.

Not pre-emptively.

21 posted on 02/23/2002 9:27:10 AM PST by tahiti
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To: RCW2001
When Bugosh did open the door, she allegedly pointed a shotgun at the troopers, and one them fired, Martin said.

This implies that the troopers knocked on the door with guns drawn. Why would they do that?
Need more information.

23 posted on 02/23/2002 9:30:53 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EricOKC
Point taken - especially if there's alot of loud fighting going on inside. But eventually they did hear the knock at the door and we don't know if when they quieted down, he again identified himself. And she could've asked "who is it?" when she heard the pounding.
24 posted on 02/23/2002 9:33:07 AM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: RCW2001
This is a hard one... If the police were responding to a fight, they had a right to be cautious. On the other hand, the woman lived in the building where the fight occurred. If her daughter HAD been involved in the fight, she may have been afraid the other people in the fight were coming after her daughter.

More details are needed....

25 posted on 02/23/2002 9:34:34 AM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Bogey78O
"She used bad judgement. The trooper over-reacted."

This comment is a textbook example of the problem with getting instant news- and even faster opinion- on the WEB.

I make the (reasonable) assumption that the poster was NOT at the scene, was NOT involved in this shooting, and knows nothing more about it than what appears in this (unreliable) media story.

Yet, note how quickly the finger is pointed, blame is assgned, and the poster assumes an air of omniscience!

That's my essay for this morning. More later...

26 posted on 02/23/2002 9:34:38 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: tahiti
re: your post #21
You're joking, right?
I mean, the part about a cop having to wait until his head is blown off before he can return fire?
Oh... hahahaha! Of course you're joking. Sorry.
LOL !!!
28 posted on 02/23/2002 9:36:53 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Bogey78O
I absolutely agree!If someone bangs on my door in the middle of the night,I'm certainly going to arm myself!!If I'm a woman(by herself),there's no question about this!!!The questions that I have are:Did the trooper ID himself?Was she inebriated?If someone banged on my door and ID'd himself as law-enforcement,I would still answer the door armed,but I would announce same.This is another tragedy that didn't HAVE to happen!!!!!!
29 posted on 02/23/2002 9:37:16 AM PST by bandleader
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Ok... Ok...fine. I'll spell it out clearer then.

It seems she used bad judgement. It seems te cop over-reacted.

Does that make you feel better?

30 posted on 02/23/2002 9:37:20 AM PST by Bogey78O
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To: Lancey Howard
This implies that the troopers knocked on the door with guns drawn. Why would they do that?

Good point. If she had intent to shoot them they would not have had time to draw on her before being shot.

Sounds like sloppy police work to me.

Regards.

31 posted on 02/23/2002 9:39:04 AM PST by The Irishman
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
It's a shame the poor woman died. This should not have happened.

Try disagreeing with THAT! Hehe...

32 posted on 02/23/2002 9:39:12 AM PST by KurzeHaare
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To: JoeEveryman
stay away from my house.
33 posted on 02/23/2002 9:39:40 AM PST by Kaisersrsic
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To: tahiti
Cops cannot shoot before they are shot at.

I'm not sure where you get your information, but you are completely wrong. THis is from New York, but the laws in PA (and everywhere else for that matter) are similar:

Under § 35.30, a police officer may use deadly physical force to the extent he reasonably believes it necessary to defend himself or someone else from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or to arrest a suspect

Obviously, having a shotgun pointed at you, you could reasonably assume you are in danger.

Also see post 27.

34 posted on 02/23/2002 9:40:20 AM PST by TomB
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To: tahiti
A cop does not have a "right" to shoot a person, just because a weapon was pointed at them.

He certainly does. As do I have the right to shoot you if you point a weapon at me.

36 posted on 02/23/2002 9:42:12 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: tahiti
A very dangerous misconception here. The police, by and large, are permitted to use deadly force whenever they feel either their lives or the life of a civilian are in iminent danger.It is NOT necessary for the cop to get shot first.

Pointing a shotgun at one would certainly give the feeling of danger.

38 posted on 02/23/2002 9:48:11 AM PST by FreeperinRATcage
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To: EricOKC
Apparently you dont have that right if the person pointing a weapon at you is a cop.

Since when did anarchist's start posting on FR?

The right to keep and bear arms does NOT give you the right to use the weapon irresponsibly. It is irresponsible to threaten a person with the weapon. Answering the door with a weapon pointed at whoever is on the other side is THREATENING, no matter what time of day it is.The proper thing to do if you feel afraid of answering the door is NOT answer it.

39 posted on 02/23/2002 9:56:03 AM PST by FreeperinRATcage
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To: RCW2001
I've searched all the Pittsburgh news media websites, and can't find mention of this incident.

Can anybody else find a link to another article on this?

40 posted on 02/23/2002 9:59:38 AM PST by TomB
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