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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
Question is: How does one fight back or reject the conventional "wisdom" notions without being labeled a racist and thereby diminished de facto? It's dicey enough even discussing these topics on this Forum much less in the "real world". I fear folks are already too brainwashed for any positive results in the near term. The only folks who are willing to take a stand are naturally folks that even I consider extremists. I still think that aside from the excellent distillation you opined that the lack of a Euro-American Identity is part of the problem. Simply put...whites feel no tribal loyalty hardly at all. I'm not even sure we should but it seems we act only out of reaction or defensively...that is those of us who do act at all.

It's obvious from even my own hesitation that the indoctrination of white America has infected even myself making me more defensive about my feelings about racial conflict that I instinctively feel I should harbour. It's vexing...along with abortion and RKBA....the Balkanization of our nation is part of the Holy Trinity of my cultural concerns as a Conservative.

86 posted on 02/22/2002 1:19:25 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
"Simply put...whites feel no tribal loyalty hardly at all."

Well, here I must say "yes and no." Although I have no sociological credentials, my understanding of the problem is this:

European-Americans can trace their ancestors to at least three generations, and that's without doing any serious genealogical research. Virtually anyone of European extraction could, with only minimal difficulty, trace his forefathers back to the 1600s. Because of this, it is not uncommon for a "White" American to claim that his folks are from Umbria or Swabia, Yorkshire or Connaught. And, after generations of intermarriage, it is still normal for people to acknowledge proportions of ancestry, such as "Half German, half Scots." Numerous correspondents on this site can rattle off their ancestry down to their great-grandparents (and often do so in threads dealing with slave-reparations).

The point I am making, in my own circuitous way, is that European-Americans do not perceive themselves to be "White" because that is, in itself, a meaningless term to anyone who is genuinely connected with his ethnic and cultural roots. People who claim first and foremost to be "White" are the truly marginal; they are folks living at the fringes of society whose only claim to identity is, in fact, their "White"-ness.

They are, in fact, the mirror image of those American Blacks who are descended from slaves, and who therefore have no real way of tracing their ancestry. The latter cannot plausibly claim to be Watusi or Bantu, or anything else; thus the African-American is sui generis. He is part of a self-defining "tribe" whose culture and folkways have no basis in tradition, but, rather, are a concoction brewed up by Hollywood, MTV, and Madison Avenue. Hence the need to create traditions out of whole cloth. Hence Kwanzaa.

I find the idea of a "White" identity just plain silly. It does not, and should not, reflect the European cultural heritage. One of the great beauties of European culture is its diversity - not in the Leftist PC sense, but in the Chestertonian sense of distributivism. A Burgundian is not a Gascon, and a Prussian is not a Bavarian. Nor should they be. And to lump them all into a bastard-default catagory of "White" is, paradoxically, the ultimate de-racination.

So what's my solution? If you are Irish or Scots, get into the whole Highland games culture. If you are German, join or found a Liederkranz. And so forth, for all of the European cultures. "White Power" movements are a waste of time and energy. Let "White folks" cultivate the cultures of their noble ancestors and they will be just fine. As I suggested earlier, rampaging Negroes are not usually found at St. Patrick's Day Parades. There is a reason for that: real "tribal" pride DOES exist. The enemy knows this, and slinks into the shadows whenever such pride is displayed.

90 posted on 02/22/2002 6:12:10 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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