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"A Betrayal" - Some advice for Bush on campaign-finance reform legislation.
The National Review ^ | February 20, 2002 | National Review Editors

Posted on 02/21/2002 6:22:01 AM PST by rightwing2

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To: Dog
This is all a McCain and Daschle phony issue designed to drive a wedge between Bush and his base(US)!

A smart President will hold on to his base.

Don't sign the repeal of the First Amendment, Mr. Bush.

61 posted on 02/21/2002 7:36:50 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Dog
This is all a McCain and Daschle phony issue designed to drive a wedge between Bush and his base(US)!

Bump!

62 posted on 02/21/2002 7:37:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lazamataz
You good folks who are already planning your sulking parties on Election Day 2004 should change into some dry undies and grow up.

W ain't signed nothin' yet.

63 posted on 02/21/2002 7:38:39 AM PST by ncson
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To: Dog
I suggest people take a deep breath and watch this unfold .....before they claim a BETRAYAL..

He ain't signed yet. I'm willing to believe he has some neat tricks left.

But if he signs it, he loses me and thousands upon thousands like me.

64 posted on 02/21/2002 7:38:58 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Dog; All
John McCain looks right at home in that Democrats yuck-it-up photo.
65 posted on 02/21/2002 7:39:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rightwing2
"...is reportedly ... signing a disaster of a campaign-finance-reform bill...

"...are urging Bush to sign the bill..."

"...the president will probably sign the bill..."

"...his aides think signing..."

"...his aides are sometimes reported to think that signing the bill..."

No where does it say Bush will or has signed the bill, but the left is doing everything in their power to make it 'appear' that this is a done deal.

66 posted on 02/21/2002 7:40:29 AM PST by WIMom
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To: ncson
You good folks who are already planning your sulking parties on Election Day 2004 should change into some dry undies and grow up.

(Checking calender for Election Day 2004 Sulking Party..... hmmm, no, the day looks free.)

(Checking undies, just in case.... hmmm, no, they seem quite dry.)

(Checking license for birthdate, just in case.... hmmm, no, I seem to be accorded legal adult status.)

W ain't signed nothin' yet.

True. But I am giving him fair warning of the results of such a signature.

67 posted on 02/21/2002 7:41:50 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Dog
Maybe Gore would have been better .....

We wouldn't have campaign finance reform on the table. We wouldn't have elections anyway.
We'd all be wearing Chinese uniforms and wearing turbins! Get a grip on yourself man !!

68 posted on 02/21/2002 7:42:55 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Valin
I don't understand why the president is even concidering signing this(note: if he is)

FWIW, I don't believe he's even considering the possibility. He's telling Pubbies on the hill, "Do what's right; don't even THINK about putting this monkey on my back!" He's calling their bluff, and raising a nickel. Really high stakes poker.

FGS

69 posted on 02/21/2002 7:44:55 AM PST by ForGod'sSake
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To: rightwing2
I fail to understand why it appears that Congress thinks CFR is going to cure their admitted, proudly admitted in some cases, corruption and that the American people will believe this piece of stinking offal legislation is the best medicene.

It is not. It is real bad medicene. Bad voodoo. Our Founding Fathers wrote a simple, easily understood First Amendment. They gave it A#1 status. For the men and women in Congress who violated the Constitution and their oath of office by voting to pass it, is bad enough. They all know it. They all know they aren't going to clean up their miserable acts of chicanery and are schemeing for ways to slither around the legislation already.

For our President to add his good name to it would be crushing to the faith and trust that I have placed in him as a an honorable man and respect as a sterling leader. But, somehow I think President Bush is A#1 hombre and will step up to the podium and shout a resounding "NO WAY will I allow Congress to stifle and muzzle the good citizens of this great nation free speech rights protected by the Constitution. Many of you in Congress are a bunch of idiots if you think I'm going to support this piece of stinking garbage. Now send me legislation that shows you have the courage to stop the corruption problems you speak of but never will I sign a bill that penalizes the citizens of this country for participating in the political process. I've given you the framework of which I can agree upon. Anything short of that or anything beyond that is DOA."

Bad law must be overturned by courage and candor. CFR makes me gag as much as it seeks to gag me as an actively aware citizen which is counter to what President George W. Bush said in his Inaugural Speech, January 20, 2001:

"I ask you to be Citizens: citizens, not spectators;
Citizens, not subjects;
Responsible Citizens..."

The same applies to those elected few in Congress who wish to repress our hope for freedom while doing all they can to to protect, defend, enhance and enrich their own careers and ambitions.

What I find interesting about this legislation that the penalties are severe for violation of CFR. Just as in Mrs. Clinton's hopes and dreams for overthrowing our freedom in selecting health care, her health care proposal contained heavy fines and severe consequences if a free citizen were to go against her dictates. The same with CFR. Why is it elected, and some unelected, officials can't wait to muzzle, imprison, levy fines, remove, confiscate, delete, eradicate, our rights, our property, our freedom, our Consitution? Do they seek to impose fear upon a free people? Will there be a time in our history that the American people will dread the midnight knock on the door by secret police because they dared speak out against a candidate for elected office?

Why are there no penalites for the elected men and women who willfully wantonly violate our Constitution?

70 posted on 02/21/2002 7:48:23 AM PST by harpo11
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To: rightwing2
SAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUMP!

I don't understand the schizophrenia of you folks. You advocate saving the GOP by vetoing a bill that was brought to you by the GOP!!!

I wish people would stop using the terms "republican" and "conservative" interchangeably. They are no longer the same.

71 posted on 02/21/2002 7:48:29 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: WIMom
Thanks Mom!
72 posted on 02/21/2002 7:48:57 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
This is all a McCain and Daschle phony issue designed to drive a wedge between Bush and his base(US)!

Yes. Absolutely. They're in their castle hugging each other right now.
This is an overwhelmingly Democrat/Marxist bill. The propaganda and politics of personal destruction are strong.
Bush is not the enemy. The Democrats did this, and their propaganda is hitting the airwaves.
Remember who the REAL enemy is. Democrats and libertarians be damned.
Second guessing Bush always has turned out to be fruitless. He suprises us every time- to the dismay of those who wish to dehumanize him.

73 posted on 02/21/2002 7:48:59 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Lazamataz
""But if he signs it, he loses me and thousands upon thousands like me.""

Try millions upon millions.......including moi !!
74 posted on 02/21/2002 7:50:33 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: concerned about politics, sonofliberty2, OKCSubmariner
If Bush can get these panty waists to start standing up for themselves, Republicans will be the strongest party ever. The truth is so much more powerful than lies if people get a chance to hear it.

Post #58 is made to order for you. It is time for the Bush apologists to end their excuses. Bush is a flawed President who often smacks his conservative base upside the head as is most notably illustrated here. Its time for you guys to accept it and live with it and try to reduce the damage that Bush is doing to the conservative cause where possible!! On the other hand he is SLIGHTLY better than Clinton-Gore so I guess we can all be thankful for that. Oh well, at least Bush is a moral man.

Presidents need to provide strong principled leadership. Bush has utterly failed to do so here. If Bush had done so on campaign finance, Congressional Republicans would have followed his lead. Instead, Bush has lamely abdicated any pretext of princpled leadership he might have provided in saving the Republican Party from being consigned to permanent minority status at the national level.

The Result--Republican Party R.I.P. 1860-2004!!

The Republican Party will only become great again if it is led by a conservative leader--something that we have not had since Ronald Reagan and probably will not have in the forseeable future because conservatives keep shooting themselves in the foot by voting for RINOs to be the Republican nominees for President.
75 posted on 02/21/2002 7:50:43 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: Dog
Remember this Admin. plays chess.......not checkers!

Could not have summarized it better. Niether the liberals or the ultra-conservative-won't-be-happy-till-Pat-Buchanan-is-President types have not let it sink in that Bush, like Reagan, has brought a team of serious, professional, experts into this administration. They know where they are going and how to get there without shooting themselves in the foot. As evidenced many times in the past year, they will hold their cards close to their chest, bluff if needed, and if necessary even appear to make tactical retreats in order to achieve the larger goal. This is high stakes poker and you don't win by holding every hand.

Personally, I don't think GW will let this bill get to him. If it does, he will not sign it. And if he did, he knows the USSC will void it. So I won't lose sleep over this.

76 posted on 02/21/2002 7:53:17 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
Personally, I don't think GW will let this bill get to him.

.... and he would retain my vote.

If it does, he will not sign it.

.... and he would retain my vote.

And if he did, he knows the USSC will void it.

.... and he would lose my vote.

77 posted on 02/21/2002 7:55:46 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
""But if he signs it, he loses me and thousands upon thousands like me.""

No he doesn't. The American people like Bush, and will vote for him anyway.
Most people could care less about this bill. Most have no idea what a bill is!
So what if Bush looses the few posting here. Libertarians don't vote Republican anyway, do they? DU disupters don't either.
I'm sticking with Bush. He's twisting the Democrats brains right now. He'll slam them with a last minute veto, and a great explanation.

78 posted on 02/21/2002 7:58:57 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: justanotherfreeper
Bush lobbyists have confirmed he WILL, repeat, WILL sign.

THINK!!!

Bush has lost either way if CFR gets to his desk. Either he signs it and alienates conservatives and rabid FReeps -or- he vetoes it and gets crucified by the press. Congress MUST kill it if it is to be killed.

Now, if Bush needed weak-kneed GOP Congresscritters take the heat and kill the bill, would he run around reassuring everyone that he'd safely veto it if it gets to his desk??? OR would he HAVE to signal them that whatever they pass could become law?

79 posted on 02/21/2002 7:59:20 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: Lazamataz
.... and he would lose my vote.

Since this is still speculation, and I would hope that you would weigh your choices (including the impacts of not voting) at election time (not 2 years before), I won't judge your predisposition now.

80 posted on 02/21/2002 7:59:48 AM PST by Magnum44
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