Posted on 02/20/2002 10:03:33 AM PST by knak
Tehran - The Russian Duma plans to issue a resolution in support of Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. The Russian news agency Interfax reported that Russian Duma MPs believe that the U.S. can not settle its problems with Iran, Iraq and North Korea through slogans.
The draft of the resolution entitled "World Security Threats and International Actions Against Terrorism" condemns baseless accusations against other countries that obstruct the development of international cooperation.
According to another report, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Georgy Mamedov said in Moscow on Tuesday that most countries, including U.S. allies, have not welcomed the recent U.S. actions.
In a meeting with the Iranian Ambassador to Moscow, Gholamreza Shafei, he said that since U.S. President George W. Bush has been criticized by some of his colleagues for his threatening statements against certain countries, Washington is trying to change its policies toward the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Referring to the negative remarks of some U.S. officials, Mamedov said that such hyperbole is characteristic of U.S. officials with regard to international issues.
On Russia's opposition to the theory of a "unipolar world", he reiterated that Moscow follows an independent foreign policy and will not tolerate being pressured by any country.
On the expansion of Tehran-Moscow relations, particularly in recent years, the Russian official said that since the two countries' bilateral cooperation is based on international norms and regulations, Moscow's friendly cooperation with the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue despite the pressures exerted by some foreign countries.
Earth to MPs: that ain't the plan.
I know most people here don't realize that there are other countries who could pose a sizable threat not only to our troops, but to life on the planet as we know it, but Russia is in fact one of those countries. And last time I checked, they still had their submarines, ICBM's and other wonderful relics of the Cold War intact and on hand.
This site will no doubt cheer a global thermonuclear war. I don't, and hope cooler heads prevail. This entire "soap opera" of nations pledging this that or the other reads exactly the same for every major buildup just prior to every major war in history.
How so few see this is amazing. The flag can be a powerful blindfold.
It is not certain at all if taking out Iran and Iraq may cause a global war. It is, however, nearly certain that allowing them to develop nukes will cause one.
It is not certain at all if taking out Iran and Iraq may cause a global war. It is, however, nearly certain that allowing them to develop nukes will cause one.
For those of us not hooked into the umbilicle cord of the Ministry of Truth, please explain how even China doesn't have the missile firepower to reach any further then California, yet Iraq somehow will develop what only the United States, Russia, Britain and France have developed, aka global range ICBM's?
Having a nuke is not corollary to having the means to deliver it to your target. They can barely hit Israel with SCUD's for goodness sake.
Please please please please, could somebody please stop repeating the very same mantra you're told to repeat by your government handlers please?
Look at it this way. Iraq and Iran now have an ally that can eliminate the United States/world with nuclear weapons in much the same capacity that we can do so. Russia knows precisely whom we are targeting (Iraq) as the next invasion point, and chose to publically announce that they stand behind Iraq and Iran. Does that tell you anything?
Dismiss the bravado and chest beating and repeating the same tired propaganda lines intended to keep you behind these actions and think for a moment what this could lead to.
Huh? Why would you say that? I don't think global thermonuclear war has many fans, even, or especially on FR.
Huh? Why would you say that? I don't think global thermonuclear war has many fans, even, or especially on FR.
Perhaps you should peruse the threads present on FR when the Chinese abducted the spy plane. Countless, countless "weeell, we'uns should nuke Bejing", or "we'uns should blast that plane out of existance where it sits, consequences be damned" being bandied about without thought of the consequences. Same thing here.
Even allowing that Iraq or Iran could develop a missile, which I really, really doubt despite the propaganda contrary, they have no means to deliver it to the continental United States. They can barely deliver convention explosives the range of Israel. ICBM's are hard to make, and harder to hide, and they are at least 50 years out from even knowing how to do so.
But I'm sure my words will be ridiculed and go unheeded. I mean after all, Russia only declared solidarity with Iraq knowing that we will probably be invading Iraq soon (if not already based on today's disinformation posts). And Russia in fact does have the ability to kill all your little children and grandchildren.
Missile is not the only way. Anybody who has nukes can easily ship them by sea to any port in the US. China is less likely to do so, since they are concerned about a retaliation. Iran or Iraq are crazies, they can do anything. And once they have nukes, someone half-crazy, like China, may decide for a terrorist nuke use as well, now that it can be blamed on an unknown party, like Iran or Iraq. Clear enough?
For those of you who want to nuke em' all right now, I do have one question..... you got a fallout shelter in your backyard, how many days will you and yours live without the comfy fabric of society? Hmmmmm....
I am all for sending Saddam and the rest of the Axis to meet allah, but NEVER forget, this time, the game is for keeps.
Semper Valor
That's not what Poohbah and a bunch of others on FR say. They claim that its very difficult to do this because of the ongoing maintenance requirements of these systems. If it were so easy, then why was FR all abuzz with flaming when people started to get worried about OBL having a nuke.
LOL, relax! This is like our congress passing a resolution condemning Chinese human rights violations, (while simultaneously granting them most favored nation status). Doesn't mean anything.
Russia is not going to nuke the US even if we were to invade Iran, (unlikely).
Oh BTW, the Duma is not the most powerful branch of the Russian Gov't, so I wouldn't really call them the the voice of the Russian Gov't.
They assert emphatically that the view of the Russian military presented in the western press is wholesale false. . . . to wit . . . that
1) The military is much better taken care of and in much better shape than the western press comes close to describing.
2) That morale is much, much better than the western press comes close to describing.
3) That the equipment is much better than the western press comes close to describing.
What do I know. I'm not there. But I really trust my colleagues.
For those of you who want to nuke em' all right now, I do have one question..... you got a fallout shelter in your backyard, how many days will you and yours live without the comfy fabric of society? Hmmmmm.... I am all for sending Saddam and the rest of the Axis to meet allah, but NEVER forget, this time, the game is for keeps.
Pretty much all I'm saying, just in a different way. The armchair warriors are all itching to kill anything that says boo without regards to consequences or without looking at the mounting realities of the situation. As your last sentence states so well..."the game is for keeps".
And another thing to remember. A nation never initiates a war that it thinks it will loose. So having an attitude of "we're invincible" ain't gonna cut it. Its when the screws get tightened that the truth comes out, and if Russia does decide to stick with Iraq, the screws will tighten for all of us, hard.
Not that a few megatons burst in the upper atmosphere wouldn't blind those same satellites.....
Russia is not going to nuke the US even if we were to invade Iran, (unlikely). Oh BTW, the Duma is not the most powerful branch of the Russian Gov't, so I wouldn't really call them the the voice of the Russian Gov't.
First, neither of us have any idea what Russia is going to do in any situation. Unfortunately, they are a wildcard in many wartime situations, and cannot be counted on to act on anything except "for the motherland". If they see it in their interest to go mano a mano with the United States, esp. in our militarily weak state (courtesy of Mr. Clinton), when we're extended to the four corners of the earth putting down minor terrorist groups, etc, then they will do so. Neither of us have a way of predicting what or when they will decide to take our side or come out against us.
I'm aware of the governmental structure of the Russian Confederacy. I know the position of the Duma. I also know that Putin is perhaps even more dangerous than the Duma, and should not be trusted to shrug them off. Fact is, since he has a fairly tight grip on the media over there, this little Duma sponsored announcement may not be as accidental as you'd like to think. Putin is a pragmatist and, as with all leaders, a power junkie par execellence.
FYI. The MX missiles go offline this year, WE are taking apart our strategic forces at an alarming rate. THEY are..... time will tell.
Count the Cost
Wallace212
As you said, we can count on Russia to act in her best interest. Please explain how, in any concievable scenario it might possibly be in Russias best interest to attack the United States? You think we are weak militarily? Russia is a basket case compared to us.
Oh BTW, acting in ones best interest is normal, we do it, the Russians do it, every country does it to the extent that they have leadership whos best interest coincides with that of the citizenry.
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