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WHY LEGALIZE MARIJUANA?
Voy forum ^ | 2-19-2 | Marc-Boris St-Maurice

Posted on 02/20/2002 6:08:45 AM PST by Magician

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To: Linda Liberty
I think that's an interesting question that probably nobody could fully answer, but there are some points so obvious we can actually probably agree on them

JMO, but a big part of it was the arrival of the counterculture, when traditional values were disregarded and the "do it if it feels good" mantra took over and the "actions have consequences" value got thrown out the window.

481 posted on 02/21/2002 8:56:24 AM PST by Dane
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To: MK
I would submit that baby-boomer hegemonistic WODers are that way because they must rebel. First against their parents (our grandparents) who provided them the posh childhood necessary to develop their narcissistic, tyrannical characters and then against their offspring (us) who know better than they do about the dangers of mild OR hard drugs by having been raised by them and their druggie friends.

I would also submit that Gen Xers are intellectually better equipped to deal with drug issues than are our parents.

It's still all about me, me, me, me for them.

482 posted on 02/21/2002 8:56:48 AM PST by txhurl
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To: clamper1797;dakmar
My favorite has to be "Ol' Sparky" calling James Madison 'stupd' for allowing the states to have their own criminjal codes. His (Or her) utopia would have a uniform criminal code for all of the USA.
483 posted on 02/21/2002 9:01:47 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
If drug legalization is such a major tenet of the American left, why hasn't my state, Massachusetts---as Ground Zero of the American Left---legalized drugs, or even decriminalized marijuana, or even pushed for it? Why isn't it one of Ted Kennedy's or John Kerry's major issues?

Because like it or not they are politicians and that advocating "drug legalisation" would be political suicide.

I have no doubt if Kennedy or Kerry could promote that as a tenet they would. That still doesn't stop their cohort in Massuchusetts, Barney Frank(who is about as left as you can get), from promoting drug legalisation.

Like I said the vast majority of drug legaisers come from the left(Green Party, enviro whackos such as ELF, George Soros, the Socialist Party, etc. etc.)

484 posted on 02/21/2002 9:02:19 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Because like it or not they are politicians and that advocating "drug legalisation" would be political suicide.

Not in a leftist-dominated state like Massachusetts. There's hardly a viable Republican party in Massachusetts, nor are there any conservatives in numbers great enough to make a difference. If drug legalization was such a winning lefty cause, a leftist state senator from a tawny suburb like Weston could introduce the legislation, a lefty-dominated Mass. General Court could pass it, and a lefty-dominated Mass. Supreme Judicial court would protect it from legal challenges.

That still doesn't stop their cohort in Massuchusetts, Barney Frank(who is about as left as you can get), from promoting drug legalisation.

On his website, Frank advocates medical marijuana and sentencing reform. I couldn't find his stance on "legalization."

Like I said the vast majority of drug legaisers come from the left(Green Party, enviro whackos such as ELF, George Soros, the Socialist Party, etc. etc.)

And you won't answer the question I've asked like 3 times already:

Does smoking pot turn one into a lefty, or do certain lefties smoke pot?


487 posted on 02/21/2002 9:19:34 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Dane
vast majority of people who want to prostelytize the drug culture come from the political left. (Barney Frank, Geroge Soros, Timothy Leary, the ACLU, the Green Party,

All Barney Frank wants is medical pot and a review of mandatrory sentencing. That's far from relegalizing. In fact, (except for Jocelyn Elders) there are no nationally-known D*m*cr*t relegalizers.

What has the ACLU done in this area?

No, it's more accurate to say that drug prohibition is a Progressive/New Deal phenomenon, and that opposition to it is mainly paleoconservative/libertarian.

IMO, this was one area where Reagan never grew beyound the New Deal.

488 posted on 02/21/2002 9:25:18 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Dane
Sure there will be exceptions such as William Buckley, but that still doesn't negate the fact that drug legaization is a major tenet of the American left.

But there is no one from the American left on this website. This is FR. Is everyone here an "exception" to you??

491 posted on 02/21/2002 9:29:24 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Dane doesn't scare me as much as VA Avogadro, Cultural Jihad, or A CA Guy. It's easy to dissect and analyze Dane's stance, and when you come right down to it, it's nothing more than prejudice. Those other guys are on total God trips: A CA G, on this thread alone, has proved himself to be the mother of Carrie . . . "evil, evIL, EVIL!!!" (ad nauseum).

A CA Guy used the words "sociopath and sociopathic" so many times yesterday it caused me to step away from the debate. I think we were getting a glimpse into his own mental stability, maybe he learned the word in therapy which makes him dangerous in my book. I will not respond to him again.

493 posted on 02/21/2002 9:39:32 AM PST by marsis
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To: Dane
I guess I am a "bigot" now, because I think that drugs should be illegal.

My cheapo dictionary defines bigot as "one obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular belief or creed; dogmatist".

The key word being "unreasonably". When others present fact and logic, the WOsD crowd answers with ad hominems, distortions, outright lies and evasions. The WOsD's argument boils down to "It's bad because I say so."

494 posted on 02/21/2002 9:47:42 AM PST by jimt
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To: ThomasJefferson, Cultural Jihad
I would like to give CJ his due here.

He has agreed on several occasions that the Tenth Amendment should be respected and that drug policies should be decided by State governments.

He agrees that Federal involvement in the domestic WOD is unconstitutional.

495 posted on 02/21/2002 9:50:47 AM PST by Ken H
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To: dcwusmc
Well excuse me for stating my opinion! Adding marijuana to a list legally controlled substances makes about as much sense as allowing its free use and production with government interference thrown in for good measure. You get a doped up population of users plus more revenue stream for government. Sounds really good doesn't it?

Bottom line: Government for the most part represents the wishes - some stupid some not so stupid- of the people who vote for it. There is no groundswell of favorable public opinion supporting legalization. If anything, the trend semms to shifting the other way. So there!

496 posted on 02/21/2002 9:53:15 AM PST by eleni121
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To: stuartcr
Absolutely correct. I won't be surprised though, if someone says..."I just want to try murder, so it should be legalised too'..,

What an ignorant rebuttal. Murder hurts someone, smoking pot does not. What don't you get here., it seems simple enough even for you.

497 posted on 02/21/2002 9:53:22 AM PST by marsis
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To: xcon
Burke Breathed, that is, rocks!

Don't blame me, I voted for Bill and Opus (and I have the t-shirt to prove it!)

498 posted on 02/21/2002 10:01:27 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: eleni121
Government for the most part represents the wishes - some stupid some not so stupid- of the people who vote for it. There is no groundswell of favorable public opinion supporting legalization.

So you believe that checks and balances aren't necessary in our form of government, the first 10 Amendments were completely unnecessary, and there's no such concept as "the tyranny of the majority"?

Do you believe the federal government would be justified in criminalizing tobacco smoking?


500 posted on 02/21/2002 10:07:27 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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