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To: CCWoody
"Are you suggesting that everything that happens in the universe, including the fall in the Garden of Eden, Lucifer's rebellion, the holocaust, abortion etc. MUST be what God desires..OTHERWISE they could not occur?"

Would you be suggesting that anything--from the largest events in history down to the smallest event--is outside the will of God?

I'm not "suggesting" it.....I am saying the Bible clearly teaches it.
Scripture tells us that it is not God's desire that anyone should perish....but clearly the Bible teaches us that many perish.(duh)

Notice that I directly answered your question...unlike you who avoided answering my question above.

You actually believe God desired for Lucifer to fall, for people to commit horribe sins etc. etc???

BTW, you are misusing the word desire; horribly.

Right. Well don't keep me in suspense too long as to exactly how I am "misusing" it.

482 posted on 02/22/2002 7:00:32 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge; RnMomof7
I'm not "suggesting" it.....I am saying the Bible clearly teaches it. Scripture tells us that it is not God's desire that anyone should perish....but clearly the Bible teaches us that many perish.(duh)

Wow, the horror of your world to believe that God is not in control!

Good nite my Roman Catholic friend...

P.S. Nothing is outside the will of God! [1 Tim. 2:4] Is the weakness in the "desire" of the Lord (verse 4) that "all men" should be saved? No, for this is an effective desire, both to Wish and to Will; indeed, this same Greek word, for "desire", is found in Romans 9: 18 -- So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.; and this is a powerful Desire indeed, by which He has raised up pharoahs and ruled the affairs of men and nations!!

483 posted on 02/22/2002 7:10:40 PM PST by CCWoody
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