That is the verse you are claiming refers to Jews....apparently, only some humans were alienated in the fall according to you since the only people alienated from God were the Jews.
Commentaries etc. agree with my interpretation of 'elect' in this case. In some cases it is used to refer to the Jews, but not here....the obvious and easy to understand meaning (since Paul is speaking to Christians from the beginning of the book) is that Christians are the elect that is being spoken of.
You argue my pride is keeping me from seeing your view...I argue that yours is keeping you from seeing God's power and glory.
And right there lies your error. "My view', indeed.
Nice attempt to isolate the crystal clear Word of God and make it 'my view', as if your foolish doctrine is truth.
Once again you get the scripture wrong. Do you never tire of being in error on God's Word?
In the verses quoted from Colossians 1 Paul spoke to converted Jews and that book does speak to Christians but in that city, that church, most were Jews, some Gentiles. I'll not argue the point with you as you have shown that you are not open to discussion, only to justifing your belief.
You started a thread that was clearly intended to provoke discussion while upholding your belief in the absurd, unscriptural and destructive doctrine of predestination. You probably got more than you bargained for.
Some Christians like me don't take kindly to having God's word misused and having people babble on about loving and serving God while they lie about his very Word.
We can trade verses endlessly but I won't use God's Word that way. A few verses make the point and I've given them in previous posts. As I already stated, you take words in scripture such as 'predestined' and 'elect' and, following the lead of that 16th century lawyer, John Calvin, read them literally and continue the foolish doctrine that ststes that man is chosen by God to be saved - becomes a living saint - but man has no part in his election - and those not chosen, oh well. Try as they might, they are doomed. God would send His son to live on earth as a man, die a physical and spiritual death on the cross to save mankind, God's creation...but wait...only some will be saved, because God decided ahead of time who He would choose - according to Attorney and bibical expert John Calvin. What foolishness, unsupported anywhere in scripture.
Do you followers of this sixteenth century lawyer, Calvin, have any idea how simply ridiculous this theology is? How your scrambling around scripture for verses to justify this abberation of God's Word appears to anyone with a brain and who has accepted Christ as his Savior, has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and lives to serve God? You insult not only our creator but our intelligence. Any semi-literate human being can read the bible and see all the references to God wanting ALL men to be saved, Christ died for ALL. No 'special people', no 'predestination' no 'elected' because that was not God's purpose. He predestined us to be his children but clearly left the decision up to us. Not because He needs our help, but because we need to make the choice to accept Christ on our own, freely, not as some robot-people. Your stubborn clinging to this false doctrine is sad, but I will not contend with you much longer. The verses have been posted, the bible speaks, you will continue to embrace false teaching and so be it.
Your 'view' is that of a blind man, unable or unwilling to see the grace of the God you keep claiming to love and serve. Do you believe your man-made, false and misleading doctrine honors God? Really.
I suspect that for you and most of the like-minded Calvinists your hubris at being one of the 'elect' blinds you to the truth so readily apparent to millions of Christians everywhere...but not you, of course. You're 'elected'. You're also in grave error with your doctrine. You may spout it, defend it and proclaim it all you wish but at the endtime, it will still be false and you will answer for it to the One you claim to love. On that day, many will cry out, "Lord, Lord" and He will say to them, "I knew you not". Remember that while basking in your 'electedness'.