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To: Some hope remaining.; Jerry_M
Well, I didn't read very much of the article you pointed me to but I'll say that in a sense you are correct. I wouldn't say it is free will that is ultimate, just that the ultimate, God's glory, requires free will. That's what I'm claiming. That doesn't mean you have to believe what I'm claiming.

Umm!, would you be suggesting that before the creation of man and his free will that God did not have any glory? In what way in particular is God needy to man's free will?

I am more in agreement with you on this question than you might have expected. If I viewed this scenario as the only alternative to predestination then I would have a hard time believing in free will. But I think there's another alternative.

And you view would be....?

291 posted on 02/20/2002 9:43:39 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
And you view would be....?

I'll come back to this one in a bit after I reply to some other stuff that's interesting to me at the moment.

320 posted on 02/20/2002 12:14:04 PM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: CCWoody
And you view would be....?

Ok, I was going to give a more comprehensive answer but I'm just going to go for the short one for now.

God knows our hearts, even including whether we would have accepted Christ if we had the chance. For those who legitimately didn't have the chance He will give them that chance before the final judgement. I am not saying that those who had a chance will have a second chance, just that those who didn't have a chance (as judged by God) will have one. I'm prepared to discuss/defend this in much more detail but I hate to turn a perfectly good Calvinist vs. non-Calvinist bashing thread into a Mormon bashing thread. ;^)

330 posted on 02/20/2002 1:07:14 PM PST by Some hope remaining.
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