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To: FormerLib; rwfromkansas; Jerry_M
In the initial article, we see "Well, people DID have free will at one time" meaning that we no longer do. "Predestination might not be fair, but it sure is a lot better than free will, since everyone would have to reject God by their sinful nature, in my reading of Scripture."

"Well, people DID have free will at one time" -- From what I remember from my skim through the article, this is a reference to the will becoming enslaved to want nothing but sin. Of course, I already know that you deny that the natural man wants to only sin.

The second reference seems to be something of a mock to those who think that men are free to do that which they are unwilling to do.

Post 8, among others, where rwfromkansas says "You dang free willers need to actually use your brain and read your Bible." He makes repeated postings refuting any contribution of free will.

Yeah, more poking fun!

Perhaps if you define your belief for free will we can resolve the confusion. Here's mine: Man is free to do whatsoever man wants to do just like God is free to do whatsoever He wants to do. The unregenerate sinner wants to do nothing but sin. The regenerate saint actually has competing wants, the want to glorify God and the want to sin. The perfected saint with Christ will want to do nothing but glorify God.

259 posted on 02/20/2002 8:32:38 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Of course, I already know that you deny that the natural man wants to only sin.

Actually, I deny that all men want only to sin. We all have a sinful nature, of course. I've just known too many people who've sinned their way to the bottom and have then turned to God for salvation. I don't think God was witholding His grace while they were on the way down, I think they were refusing to accept it.

265 posted on 02/20/2002 8:37:31 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: CCWoody
You are correct concerning my intentions. I'm sure I am not the best writer,*especially trying to describe all these will issues for people my age...which is what I initially wrote this for,* but hopefully you catch my drift.
338 posted on 02/20/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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