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To: rwfromkansas
First, if free will is accurate, why hasn't an Almighty God been able to convince everyone to come and have eternal life if he wants everyone to be saved?

Isn't this a strawman? Who says the only alternative to predestination (God chooses who will be saved) is that God wants everyone to be saved but somehow cannot accomplish it?

I would argue this a different way. Your claim is essentially that God does not appear to be saving everyone, therefore (since God can accomplish what He wants) there must be something He wants more than saving everyone. And based on that something, e.g. His will, He chooses who to save.

But my claim is that the something He wants even more than to save everyone is that He wants us to have free-will so that we can choose to be saved or not. Therefore what God wants is still being accomplished.

251 posted on 02/20/2002 8:21:00 AM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: Some hope remaining.; rwfromkansas; Jerry_M; RnMomof7
But my claim is that the something He wants even more than to save everyone is that He wants us to have free-will so that we can choose to be saved or not. Therefore what God wants is still being accomplished.

You are correct that God's saving designs are penultimate and not ultimate. You are incorrect to assume that it is free will that is ultimate. God's glory is: A Passion for Glory

BTW, answer this question: If free will exclusively determines salvation, then will people burn in hell because Johnny (for instance) doesn't get up off his duff and preach the gospel to Fred (for instance)? Fred then dies the next day where God simply tells him: "Oh, well, at least you have your free will. It is a marvelous gift I gave you, isn't it. Enjoy the Lake of Fire."

267 posted on 02/20/2002 8:41:54 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Some hope remaining.
No, it is not a strawman because Scripture says God wants "all" to be saved. Scripture also says God ALWAYS accomplishes his will. It is not possible for him to want everyone to be saved and yet fail. The context of this passage supports my view that God wants all of the elect saved. There are only 2 choices on this matter and I believe I am correct.
337 posted on 02/20/2002 3:07:23 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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