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Alabama Chief Justice Calls Homosexuality 'Evil' in High Court Decision
Nando Times / AP ^ | 2/18/2002 | Phillip Rawls

Posted on 02/18/2002 2:50:21 PM PST by ex-Texan

Alabama Chief Justice Calls Homosexuality 'Evil' In High Court Decision

By Phillip Rawls

Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. - In awarding custody of three teenagers to their father instead of their gay mother, Alabama's chief justice on Friday wrote that homosexuality is "an inherent evil" that should not be tolerated.

The nine-judge Alabama Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of a Birmingham man and against his ex-wife, who now lives with her gay partner in southern California.

The parents weren't named in court documents to protect the identity of the children, ages 15, 17 and 18.

Chief Justice Roy Moore wrote that the mother's relationship made her an unfit parent and that homosexuality is "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature."

Moore also quoted scripture, historical documents and previous state court rulings that he said backed his view.

Moore is known for his decision to place washing machine-sized monuments of the Ten Commandments in the state judicial building after he became chief justice last year. He earlier became known nationally as the "Ten Commandments judge" when he fought to keep a plaque of the Biblical commandments in his courtroom as a district judge.

David White, state coordinator for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance of Alabama, said Moore's opinion reflected outdated thinking.

"It's unfortunate Alabama is going to be embarrassed once again by a religious fanatic in a position of power in Alabama," White said. "It's obvious he cannot judge a gay person fairly and he should be removed from office."

John Giles, state president of the Christian Coalition, said Moore's decision protected the institution of marriage and strengthened the traditional family.

The father had held custody since 1996, but the mother petitioned for custody in June 2000, contending the father had been abusive.

John Durward, the father's attorney, said his client "is very relieved." The mother's attorney, Wendy Crew, did not return a telephone call seeking comment.


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To: Burkeman1
The US Constitution was not based on "natural law"- it was an amalgamtion... I don't know where where you get this "Natural Law" Strassian view but it is quite laughable.

Here is the first paragraph and the first part of the second paragraph of the "Declaration of Independence". That's where I got it.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

201 posted on 02/18/2002 7:13:42 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: ex-Texan
"abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature."

Hmmm.. bet they're talkin bout them queers and faggots.

202 posted on 02/18/2002 7:16:17 PM PST by upchuck
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To: ex-Texan
The father had held custody since 1996, but the mother petitioned for custody in June 2000, contending the father had been abusive.

The father held custody since 1996,... what abusive? He wouldn't let the kids sleep over with the mother and her "butch" lover?

She can put her petition here


203 posted on 02/18/2002 7:18:29 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: smolensk
Good luck! (no, seriously)
204 posted on 02/18/2002 7:21:58 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Burkeman1
the insertion of his personal political and religious opinions smacks of the worst sort of judicial activism

The best judges insert personal political and religious opinions-- otherwise, how is the "judged" to understand the decision? It is within the personal political and religious opinion that mercy is shown-- else mercy would rob justice.

205 posted on 02/18/2002 7:33:45 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: ex-Texan
Does this mean adulterers and fornicators can't have custody either? Jes askin', Judge.
206 posted on 02/18/2002 7:34:50 PM PST by kezekiel
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To: Burkeman1
A legal mind ? You might want to start realizing that we are as a nation in a serious state of decline. Your legal mind has done an awful lot to destroy our moral laws, and make that happen. Where do think the original laws came from ? A legal mind ? You are forced to admit that they were from biblical laws. Now what ? That no longer applys just because some perverted lawyers managed to convince a bunch of perverted legislators that we needed to pervert our laws. Well using a legal mind shows that many of the laws today are illegal based on the original laws and in many cases- even when based on the founding documents. This is why we used to have something called Jury nullification. If an old law totally contradicts a new law then I think I will use some moral common sense to determine what is right, and that is what I will speak to the public. That is what this judge is doing, (and with plenty of legal precidence) and it is our only hope if we are to change some minds and hearts back to a time when laws made sense. When they were based on what was good for mankind. Not when they are based on fulfilling the fantasy's of minds of deviants who have no concern for society.

Any behavior that is destructive to society can also be found to be un biblical and therefore evil. I also find it kind of telling that in any religion older than about 50 years the same moral laws apply. Even the Muslims consider homosexuality to be a sin. Name one old religion that contradicted that mind set. When you cry that this judge is wrong for stating the obvious then you are undoing the good that this judge is trying to do for mankind. He is trying to make society less deviant, and destructive. When you attack him for that then you are in effect making the world more deviant and destructive. That seems like a heavy burden that you are going to have carry. It could even be considered evil in of itself.

207 posted on 02/18/2002 7:41:34 PM PST by Revel
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To: Texas Eagle
Judge Moore for the U.S. Supreme Court!
208 posted on 02/18/2002 7:54:03 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: let freedom sing
how is the "judged" to understand the decision

Who cares how the judged understands the decisison against him? Is that a new legal concept I am unaware of? Do we really care if a murderer understands why he is being executed under the law?

209 posted on 02/18/2002 8:00:06 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: connectthedots
Wonderful- the declaration is not the constitution although some would have it be law- it is not. And please identify and codify to the last rule and cross every T and dot every i of your so called "natural law" cause I would really want to know - it would make elected bodies moot and thus democracy- thanks.
210 posted on 02/18/2002 8:02:33 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: smolensk
Dogbyte, I sure wish I was going to be around in 30 years, when this country has 'gone to the dogs' to be able to remind you of how your type helped get it there, and see how you are enjoying it. Too bad I won't (unless I live to be 85).

Here is the whacky thing I do. I pretend the judge is somebody else. If this judge ruled and stated something was evil, and quoted from L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics because he was a Scientologist judge, I would not like it one bit.

Jesus had a saying you know... When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Since we live in a pluralistic society, I would rather my judges follow the law, then let their interpretation of God's will decide cases. If a judge converts to Scientology, Hare Krishna, or Voodoo on the bench and hears your case, you will appreciate my point of view.

Btw, I am the son of a minister, and am extremely pro-christian. I can't believe you folks who find it shocking that some of us believe that sermons should be given from the pulpit, and law should be interpreted through the constitution. What a radical idea.

211 posted on 02/18/2002 8:05:04 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Btw, I am the son of a minister, and am extremely pro-christian. I can't believe you folks who find it shocking that some of us believe that sermons should be given from the pulpit, and law should be interpreted through the constitution. What a radical idea.

I'm with you. This guy had no business legislating from the bench. I want congressmen quoting the Bible when they write the laws, and judges to make sure the congressmen stick to the constitution.

212 posted on 02/18/2002 8:14:11 PM PST by kezekiel
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To: Burkeman1
It's late and I don't have time to read if someone else has already brought this up, but you are absolutely mistaken to think that the law is "what we the people say it is." That is a democracy. We don't live in a democracy; we live in a republic. Rights come from God and the laws of our land are based on natural law, the law that was given thousands of years ago, recorded in the Bible, and handed down generation after generation.

A judge is not a technician, looking up the appropriate law and filling in the blank. We elect judges to decide cases that are difficult, to apply wise, godly principles in a way that is right.

You people that are so upset when someone says something that is politically incorrect--get over it. Judge Roy Moore is one of the best judges in this country. He doesn't pander to political correctness.

213 posted on 02/18/2002 8:15:13 PM PST by rimtop56
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To: dogbyte12
"calling this woman evil'

The reason we pass laws is to punish evil, so what is wrong with a judge calling someone evil? It is time we all started speaking the plain truth and saying what we mean instead of spouting politically correct bullduty.

216 posted on 02/18/2002 8:24:45 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Burkeman1
As I read your initial posts with which you engaged the issue, I take it you are a strict-constructionist who believes in stare decisis, and that you upbraid this Alabama judge because he cited too broadly (I can show you 19th-century SCOTUS decisions that quote contemporary non-juridical, non-statutory writings).

I take it then that you are apoplectic generally about legal positivism and the breaks with precedent that were the stock in trade of the Warren and Burger Courts.

What do you think of the quiet activism of gay civil servants (e.g. here in Texas), who have campaigned to influence children's protective services and welfare agencies to allow gay couples to adopt -- and to get state employees fired promptly who disagree with the policy, and complain that it happens to be not merely non-statutory, but illegal?

217 posted on 02/18/2002 8:39:27 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I think that is a political issue and that it is outrageous. You should publicize it and make it known. Then you should work to either get your reps in government to stop it or to elect others that will (ideally I wouldn't even have such an agency with such powers in my state.)
218 posted on 02/18/2002 8:44:26 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: rimtop56
No- a democracy is a non constitutional body where rights are fluid and according to the will of the people at any chosen time- not so here since we are supposed to be governered by a written code of rights and restraints on the powers of government. Or do you think judges should be able to say the law means whatever they say it means regardless of what it actually says.
219 posted on 02/18/2002 8:47:24 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: The Cuban,Frank_2001,connectthedots,mahone,texas eagle
If Alabama was majority Moslem (God Forbid) would you be as gung ho in your hapiness

First, that implies moral equivalence of moslemism to the Bible, which, of course, compares a pagan cult to God's truth and His word.

Second, this is a Christian nation, so ergo Alabama is not going to BE heathen. Even if Alabama COULD become moslem, the pagan rules or beliefs of moslemism would not or could not be part of law.

In summary: God and the Bible are truth. WE---the USA---are RIGHT. THEY---the pagan cults like mohammedanism---are wrong, are false. OUR way---Western, Judeo-Christian, freedom based upon natural rights in a Republic---DESERVE to prevail. When we start equating others with us, as the relativistic, post-modernist left does, then we have lost claim to our birthright. The proof is in our SUCCESS. The proof is in the abject moral and material failure of third-world feral and uncivlizied races. To deny that is to hate self---which is the way of the American left.

Our moral superiority and our foundation in total truth precludes any serious consideration of comparing OUR way to the ways of other multi-culti, diversity, whacko third-world sickos like the moon-worshipping, boy-buggering islams.

220 posted on 02/18/2002 8:48:35 PM PST by gg188
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