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To: cracker
The theory of evolution today is in such a state that any collection of quotes from paleontologists regarding the fossil record, mathematicians regarding the odds involved in abiogenesis etc. will amount to a horrific indictment of the doctrine (evolutionism).

For evolutionists, there is no possible rational response to the overwhelming case these collections of quotes make other than say to themselves "Gee, how did I ever believe in anything like that?" and cease being evolutionists. Obviously nobody should hold their breath waiting for that to happen, and one may therefore anticipate that their response will be irrational. They won't disappoint you; the basic response of the evolutionists on the net to anybody attempting to quote any of these lists of quotes on discussion groups has always been that each and every one of the scientists being quoted is being quoted out of context, that the gist of what they were trying to say has been inverted in each and every case, and that the person posting such a thing is therefore a liar. That's precisely what this dolt using the penname "Cracker" is claiming.

In real life, the full context of each of these quotes is basically irrelevant despite the rest of the page in most cases giving reasons why the author remains an evolutionist.

It's as if a general was trying to get a picture of what was happening on the front and were to debrief a number of lieutenants and sergeants and each one said something like "Well sir, we took a lot of casualties this morning and really got our butts kicked, but overall things are proceeding ok and I'm sure we're gonna win..."

"Cracker" would insist that the data be interpreted as meaning that the general had no problems; in real life the general would be insane to assume anything other than that he had a major problem on his hands.

Then, of course, there's always the ultimate evolutionist quote, taken from an interview with the famous evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:

"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all came from slime. When we died, you know , that was it, there is nothing..."

Come on; Make my day, "Cracker": tell me how Dahmer really believed in evolution, and how I'm a liar for quoting him out of context!"

1,188 posted on 03/01/2002 7:15:49 AM PST by medved
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To: medved
tell me how Dahmer really believed in evolution, and how I'm a liar for quoting him out of context!"

I don't have to. Dahmer is not an evolutionary biologist, has not studied the discipline, and to my knowledge has not kept up on the last few years of research.

Strangely enough, that's the newest quote you've yet offered. I guess that's a step forward, in some bizarre and twisted sense...

1,190 posted on 03/01/2002 7:33:41 AM PST by cracker
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To: medved
Then, of course, there's always the ultimate evolutionist quote, taken from an interview with the famous evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:

So let me get this straight. Do you trust the words of a man convicted of killing and eating several different people? And you believe those words to be absolute truth? Does this mean you advocate the skinning and eating of people then?

I guess, by that note, the actions and words of that Yates fella where he used his religion to drive his wife nuts means that people shouldn't worship the Bible, eh? Or the writings of the Christians of the US in the 1860's, using the bible as justification to keep slavery intact.

What about the writings of the Bible itself, where it says that it is ok to kill the household of those you are at war with and rape their women? I think there are several dozen quotes I could easily take from the bible and use them as justification for all sorts of unsavory acts. I guess that means we should ban all Christianity as well, eh?

Give me a break, quote mining is the last ditch act of a person who can't come up with any better arguments. That's a good sign of how much trouble your intellectually bankrupt arguments are in.

1,193 posted on 03/01/2002 7:51:01 AM PST by ThinkPlease
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To: medved
In real life, the full context of each of these quotes is basically irrelevant despite the rest of the page in most cases giving reasons why the author remains an evolutionist.

It's as if a general was trying to get a picture of what was happening on the front and were to debrief a number of lieutenants and sergeants and each one said something like "Well sir, we took a lot of casualties this morning and really got our butts kicked, but overall things are proceeding ok and I'm sure we're gonna win..."

I like the analogy and agree with it. To me, a problem creationists have is not explaining the context of quotes and giving the impression the quotee does not support evolution or has serious problems with it. I see creationists using the quote to show there is a problem with a certain area of evolution. But evolutionists see it as an attack on the entire theory. In summary, creationists need to better document the quote and evolutionists need thicker skin.

1,197 posted on 03/01/2002 8:50:19 AM PST by scripter
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