[cornelis]

bump

[jayef]

I was a student of Prof. Ellis Sandoz at LSU. Dr. Sandoz was a student and devotee of Voegelin. I think EV taught at LSU.

Anyway, I hadn't heard or thought of that name for quite some time. I just pulled out The New Science of Politics and might give it a read. Boy do I remember the spudaioi, dike, doxa, epistime.

That sure brings back memories. I think I learned more Greek in that class than I would have in a Greek language class.

[diotima]

I understand Aristotle's notion of political justice to refer to "Best Constitution theory."

I do not think Aristotle has a concept of Natural Law, one would be hard pressed to find support for that in EN V.7.

[Ditter]

Hummmmmmmm..... Could you run that by me again? I have this itchy rash & I was a little distracted. ;9}

[Pistias]

Given the dominance of the politikon, there can be no natural law conceived as an eternal, immutable, universal valid normativity confronting the changeable positive law. This is so because the justice of the polis, its nomos, insofar it constitutes the rule of law among men free and equal, is itself right by nature. The justice of the polis is not positive law in the modern sense but rather essential law within which alone there arises the tension between physei dikaion and a possible derailment into the making of laws by arbitrary human will. Of course, the law of the polis is also legislated and obligatory in this capacity, but this attribute takes second rank behind the question whether the content of the statue is physei or rather the product of human hybris. This Aristotelian conception of nomos does not seem to differ in principle from the older one of Heraclitus or Sophocles

These statements seem contradictory to me...what am I missing?

[Jeremy_Bentham]

bookmarked for later. I'll print it out, so I can give it my full attention.

[Pistias]

Let us not forget Aristotle’s comparison with the market situation, to which one or another measure might be adequate

I don't know the reference...do you know where it is?

[Age of Reason]

The theory is that any student who puts up with this crap to get his sheepskin, will be a good corporate drone.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"Please, don't immanentize the eschaton."

(very cool, sophisticated intellectual). Every conservative should read The New Science of Politics.

Eric Voegelin site

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Try it again: Eric Voegelin Site

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Another great Voegelin book on the perils of totalitarianism: Order Science, Politics, and Gnosticism now

[ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds]

Appears that your argument is rather "new age" ie: Arostitle (384-322bc) Taoist texts have discussed this subject from about 5.000bc

[Pistias]

Would you post the full citation information for this work or a link to it, please?