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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


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To: FITZ
You do realize that you have now discounted EVERYTHING other than the mysterious "swinger" pedophile.
621 posted on 02/12/2002 1:23:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: golitely
"You've judged those of us who feel the family contributed to the child's disappearance by their lifestyle."

A) Please show me where I have done that, and

B) Please provide any sort of CONCRETE proof to the idea that their lifestyle contributed to the child's disappearance.

I understand being critical of the lifestyle, I don't understand trying to place blame on the parents based on that fact.

Simply the fact that they may have allowed strangers (I don't buy the strangers theory, from the swingers that I have known in my life, they don't allow strangers into their home) into their house would make anyone who has allowed service techs, movers, painters, wall paper hangers, delivery people, pest control techs, potential home buyers, sales people, etc, etc, etc. into their homes "bad" parents as well.

622 posted on 02/12/2002 1:39:35 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: wimpycat
Did you not jump to conclusions when passing judgement on the young woman whose baby was stolen from the bus station on Christmas eve?

No I did not, I assumed at first it was a child snatching, only days later did I get a picture of the full story. A story that included a woman who knowingly allowed a complete stranger to take her child and leave her site, who decided to accept a car ride from said stranger with her children etc etc... At that point I decided this was not a moment of misdirected attention, but a series of very poor decisions that lead to this situation. That is when I questioned her ability to be an effective guardian.

Believe me if these people are shown to have engaged in activity that directly led to or endangered their children I will shout from the highest mountain tops that they are bad parents. But I will not subscribe to the mob mentality on this thread that simply because they may have engaged in sexual activities outside of the public norms that that defacto makes them bad parents, have their children taken away and be burned at the stake.

Maybe we better take their other two kids off them right now and call Ned Flanders to perform an emergency baptism on both of them immediately to prevent them from moral rot...

623 posted on 02/12/2002 1:58:40 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
If they were doing things sexually or otherwise that placed their children at risk or neglect, I will damn well label them as bad parents.

Good parents do not bring strangers home from bars to engage in sex. This is absolutely a negligent behavior. It is absolutely unsafe and absolutely irresponsible. Since a child is missing, this appears to be an excellent lead to investigate.

624 posted on 02/12/2002 1:59:46 PM PST by zevonfan
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To: MsLady
Why does she need a team of advisors?
625 posted on 02/12/2002 2:03:40 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Judgment: please re-read your posts. You are definitely judging some of us. That's ok, just don't gripe when we do the same thing.

"Concrete" proof--how about common sense? If you bring home a bunch of barflies you meet during the course of bar-crawling--inviting same barflies for a drug/booze/sex party--what are the chances that among them will be some "undesirables" or at the very least, a lurking carrier of a sexually transmitted disease (if not lice, fleas, and ticks). People who inhabit the "underbelly of society" are more likely to harbor perverts than, let's say, at the church social. True, there might be a perv at the church social, but chances are far, far less.

I'm sure lots of us would be amazed at what we could drag in from some sleazy bar at 2 a.m.--mostly because most of us wouldn't dream of trying such a stupid stunt. Probably the best thing about this is, none of the trash they brought home happened to be axe murderers, at least not for that evening.

626 posted on 02/12/2002 2:13:46 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: golitely
"If you bring home a bunch of barflies you meet during the course of bar-crawling--inviting same barflies for a drug/booze/sex party..."

Could you kinfly show me where you gathered this information from?

627 posted on 02/12/2002 2:23:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: sheik yerbouty
My thoughts exactlly. Why??? Makes you wonder what really went on in that house. G-d bless that poor child.
628 posted on 02/12/2002 2:35:07 PM PST by MsLady
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To: Luis Gonzalez
News items quoted on this thread.
630 posted on 02/12/2002 3:03:51 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thank you for your reasoned replies to this thread, again.

SO many who rush to judgement on all sides...when in reality there is only One who judges.

631 posted on 02/12/2002 3:30:28 PM PST by Neets
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To: golitely
I just went over every single post on this thread, read every article linked.

Nothing of the sort has been reported, or even insinuated. That's my problem with this thread, there have been leaps and bounds in the assumptions about the parents.

A child is missing, that's the story. My problem is that people are starting to forget that, and instead they are focusing on the parent's lifestyle.

I bet you that there are a lot of people out there who truly believe that this is some sort of divine punishment. I bet you that there are also people out there who may have joined the search for Danielle, who now will not.

There is a child missing out there.

632 posted on 02/12/2002 4:40:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: OneidaM
We are all sinners in His eyes.
633 posted on 02/12/2002 4:40:52 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Personally, Luis, I do not think this has anything to do with divine punishment, nor have I seen anyone else say so. I think, if anything, it has to do with personal choices, and their consequences. All very earthly. I don't believe God punishes people by harming little children. Could it be that you're doing a little projecting here?
634 posted on 02/12/2002 4:56:04 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: FITZ
The stranger didn't just break into their home, they invited him in.

It seems likely at this point that it was their next door neighbor,so this doesn't really apply. How many people don't invite their next door neighbors in at one time or another?

It's not just swingers, many single women are good at exposing their kids to whoever also by bringing a trail of men into their children's homes.

It's not just swingers or single women inviting strangers into their houses,it's Norman and Norma Normal inviting in their priest,a child care worker,a trusted neighbor,or even a realtive. The sooner people realize there are no guarantees at all,the sooner they will wake up and start to protect their children from EVERYBODY that comes into contact with them by just starting to pay more attention.

635 posted on 02/12/2002 6:03:35 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Don Myers
Sneaking thru neighbor's back doors?

LOL! There are some unkind people who made this claim,but that's not really it. It's related to the army.

636 posted on 02/12/2002 6:08:07 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: wimpycat
You're well on your way to getting banned for constantly personally attacking those who don't agree with you, so I'm telling you to cut it out right now.

So be it. If I can't stand up and pronounce the truth as I see it,I don't much care. Especially if I were to be banned over something as silly as telling somebody they are wrong about something.

I'm not in the middle. The chances are statistically greater for the little girl to have been abducted and/or killed by her parents or a friend or an acquaintance than by a stranger, and if the parents and the people they allowed in their house just happened to be swingers..........

Ok,so spit it out. Are you making the claim that swingers are child-molesting murderers? If this is your point,stand up on your hind feet and state it.

You're too busy overcompensating and exposing your hatred of the religious to think objectively.

No,I'm merely stating what is blindingly obvious to anybody who bothers to look and think.

637 posted on 02/12/2002 6:14:13 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Don Myers
. You make the right sounds to be an inmate.

ROFLMAO! There is no doubt you make the right sounds to be a corrections officer,though. This makes you at least half right.

638 posted on 02/12/2002 6:16:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Luis Gonzalez
After reading all your responses, I have only one thing left to say to you.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Revelation 2:1

2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Oh, here we go, more "Liberals favorite excerpts from the Bible".......

.....please note the above bolded. Jesus's words, not mine. He is clearly commending them for not tolerating evil, and for calling false teachers to the mat.

Now, go look in the Bible, and see what it says about adultery. (Hint: 'swinging' is covered under this prohibition)........God considers whoring your wife or husband around to be a sin.

You had better come much better prepared next time you start with that libertine nonsense of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".......

.......Most of us have actually read the Bible, unfortunately for you.

639 posted on 02/12/2002 6:18:04 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Selara
Please, sneakypete, never go into law enforcement!

This advise is a MUCH better fit on you. You are the one ready to convict somebody for murdering a child because you don't approve of their lifestyle.

640 posted on 02/12/2002 6:19:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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