Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski
Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.
It was Roger Stone, a longtime activist in the party. His ex-wife Ann Stone founded the Republicans for Choice group. Stone is remarried, and swinging with the current wife -- he got caught by the media because he was dumb enough to run a swingers ad with his picture on it!
Yes, the parents seem more interested in protecting their orgy buddies than in finding their daughter. They didn't even care enough about her to tell the truth in the first place, but maybe they already know she's dead and are just covering up to protect their "friends".
It doesn't sound like it ---it sounds like the child was taken from the house or whatever was done to her because one of the parents brought home a bunch of people from a bar and they were too involved in their orgies to care or notice what was going on. It doesn't sound like they were trying to provide a very safe home for those children. Most likely one of their orgy-mates killed their daughter.
I didn't say anything about "perversion." You did.
My point is very simple. It depends on basic human psychology and requires no knowledge from me about your "lifestyle." Unless you have conducted extensive psychological tests, you cannot possibly know with any degree of confidence the true motivational factors among members of your own swinging group, let alone among swingers in general. Nor can you possibly state with any confidence that "pedophilia is NOT something which exists [even to the point of saying it doesn't exist!] as an interest among swingers."
Why would you want to make such a broad statement? You must be aware of the extremely high number of lowlifes that are into your "thing." My guess is that in your heart of hearts you are uneasy about these practices, and when challenged you lamely attempt to put a panglossian, highly moral sheen on them.
As I said earlier, you can only know your own sexual predilections, and, depending on your level of awareness, you may even be mistaken about those.
In this case however, it seems to me the mother is a cold weirdo, and the father is a whimp that does what ever he is told to do.
I may not (or may) agree with how you live your life, but will defend til death your right to live it ... or words to that effect, etc etc
So, WTF do you think i would ever be obligated to tell my kids exactly what we do with our friends when we go out at night and leave them at grandma's?
There's a huge, huge difference between what two consenting adults do in their privacy of their bedroom and these same parents bringing other adults into the bedroom. For one thing, you're getting other people involved in the equation, which means psychological consequences, not to mention diseases. And the chances of other people finding out your behavior increase exponentially with each new partner added to the equation.
Agreement bump!
Pardon my "rant" in advance, buy if they had not been swingers, and deeply involved in that lifestyle, they would not have had people coming into the house at these hours ... if they had done anything at all in a faithful, monogomous lifestyle, it would have been them doing it in their own home and the other associations, particularly by the wife that night, would not have occurred ... and if they had, she certainly would not have brought them home ... but then, that would not be a normal, faithful monogamous lifestyle either.
Eric ... I don't care what your lifestyle is. You are free to live it as long as you do not violate others rights. But that does not mean it is moral and it does not mean that it is "right" and it certainly does not mean I will accept it as such ... even though I recognize that there are varing degrees of people involved in the lifestyle ... those varying degrees are simply to me, varying degrees of immorality, just as anyone involved in any form of adultery is.
The key issue with respect to the traditional lifestyle of marriage is one of fidelity and faithfulness. When the fidelity line is crossed, whether behind one's back, or whether with full agreement, then fidelity is simply gone and any faithfulness is made a mockery of ... in fact, at that point, an individual is only being faithful to themselves and their own passions IMHO. Adultery is not an issue of doing it when someone isn't looking, or when someone doesn't care ... it is an issue of doing it with someone to whom you are not married, period.
Again, I didn't care to know your lifestyle ... and I am not going to try and "force" you one way or another within the constraint of the infringement of other's rights. But please, don't try and pass on this notion that it is moral, that it is somehow faithful and has anything to do with traditional marriage vows simply because you both "agree", ot that it can be anything remotely related or equivalent to them ... clearly it is not. And, in as much as it does not, my own feeling and opinion is that it is very unhealthy ... and I believe from a religious perspective that it is simply wrong and will lead individuals and societies that partake in it to ruin.
Therefore, I (meaning me personally) would not call it marriage in the traditional, moral and spiritual sense of the word. Although your agreement may be mutual ... and it may be legal ... it is certainly not what I would call a marriage based on vows of fidelity and faithfulness before God ... and it is the type of thing, like many other vices, that is practiced by the majority of society, will ruin us as a nation and as a people.
The traditional values in this country and the by and large acceptance of them by the majority of people is what keeps us strong ... morally, mentally and physically as a people. Strong traditional marriages make for strong families (this is presuming that the fidelity and faithfulness are maintained). The more that breaks down, the more those societal strengths will ebb away and the more incidents like this we will have. So I pray, despite the fact that you are free to live such a lifestyle, that it nevers becomes the norm.
Finally, I believe that a very large part of this girl's disappearance and possible death is a result of a lifestyle that by its nature is unfaithful and filled with infedility. And once those values are breached, other more glaring and starling dangers enter in ... unfortunately, such dangers are very stark and unforgiving to innocents like these children.
No need for a rely, this is just my own (rather lengthy) opinion, but one I do all in my power to pass on to my own five kids and the scouts I teach and anyone willing to listen.
Therefore, I (meaning me personally) would not call it marriage in the traditional, moral and spiritual sense of the word. Although your agreement may be mutual ... and it may be legal ... it is certainly not what I would call a marriage based on vows of fidelity and faithfulness before God ... and it is the type of thing, like many other vices, that is practiced by the majority of society, will ruin us as a nation and as a people.
There is almost a militancy in the defense of harmful, or potentially harmful behaviors, and a need to put down the normal behavior.
Indeed, it is become rather common, to call names of "prude", "raciast", "right wing ranter" in an attempt to shut people up, rather than to seriously face the issue or question.
Your post was refreshing.
Drugs are harmless, right guys?
You can keep pushing that "drugs are harmless" belief but people still aren't buying it.
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