Released Afghans Tell of Beatings

NYT ^ | February 11, 2002 | CARLOTTA GALL

[codeword]

The Washington Post is carrying a similar story. click here

[loulou]

This was their "taught response" according to the writings found shortly after 9/11---Say they were abused & use the USA laws against the USA..

All I have to say, is if they were beaten...I didn't get my turn....and I want my turn!

[AGAviator]

There was a raid by some Americaan soldiers who did not show professional discipline and adhere to the rules of the UCMJ. Since you say you were in for 20 years you should know what those initials stand for.

Acting on faulty intelligence the soldiers came in shooting in the middle of night with no warning and wearing maske. They shot some people. Some they shot from behind after tying their hands behind their backs. Some people they did not shoot they abducted and beat over several days.

Since the US is already paying reparations the question of whether it happened is a non-issue. It happened. Anybody who does this is slime and anybody who defends it is slime and I'll "bash" them all I want.

[AGAviator]

Ever hear of Malmedy?

Ever hear of The Uniform Code of Military Justice?

1.  The Code of Conduct is applicable at all times to all members of the U.S. Armed Forces, active and reserve, in the event such personnel fall into the hands of the enemy during an armed conflict.  ANSWER: TRUE

2.   If the enemy violates provisions of the Law of War, then U.S. forces may immediately do the same. ANSWER: FALSE

3.  Extreme military necessity excuses acts that are normally considered war crimes under the Law of War. ANSWER: FALSE

4.  You cannot alter your weapons or ammunition in order to increase enemy suffering. ANSWER: TRUE

5.  Under both the Code of Conduct and the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, prisoners are required to give a captor only name, rank, identification number, and date of birth.  ANWSER: TRUE

6.  Enemy POWs may be killed if they threaten your unit’s safety, security, or mission, by their mere presence. ANSWER: FALSE

7.  The use of napalm is illegal. ANSWER: FALSE

8.  The property of enemy civilians may not be deliberately
and needlessly destroyed in the course of military operations. ANSWER: TRUE

9.  The Red Cross is the only internationally recognized symbol for protected medical and religious persons and activities. ANSWER: FALSE

10.  Violations of the Law of War should be reported immediately through the chain of command. ANSWER: TRUE

11.  It is permissible to kill enemy troops who are attempting to surrender if the taking of prisoners is detrimental to self-preservation-such as in the case of airborne or special operations. ANSWER: FALSE

12.  Maps and military documents may be taken from POWs.  ANSWER: TRUE

13.  Only when evasion by an individual is impossible and further fighting would only result in death with no significant loss to the enemy should surrender be considered.  ANSWER: TRUE

14.  A medical unit and its personnel are deprived of the protection of the Geneva Convention on the Wounded and Sick if the unit and personnel are protected by sentries or by an escort. ANSWER: FALSE

15.  It is your obligation to disobey an order to commit a criminal act as defined by the Law of War. ANSWER TRUE

16.  It is not permissible to fire on descending enemy paratroopers. ANSWER: FALSE

17.  Personnel put on the uniform of the enemy in order pass through enemy lines.  Once through they attack an enemy position wearing that uniform.  Such a ruse is prohibited by the Law of War. ANSWER: TRUE

18.  A platoon medic is not considered  a POW if captured by the enemy.  ANSWER: TRUE

 19.  A  church  which is being used as an enemy anti-aircraft battery post may be attacked. ANSWER: TRUE                         

20.  It is permissible to use the Red Cross symbol to protect or hide military activities. ANSWER: FALSE

21.  A commander may not be held responsible for war crimes committed by subordinates under his/her control. ANSWER: TRUE

22.  Rules of engagement may not restrict the scope of combat operations more stringently than otherwise permitted by the Law of War. ANSWER: FALSE

23.  Following an engagement, there is an obligation on the part of U.S. forces to take measures to search for and collect wounded and shipwrecked enemy personnel. ANSWER: TRUE

24.  Law of War violations by U.S. military personnel are punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. ANSWER: TRUE

ANSWERS: 1-T,2-F,3-F,4-T,5-T,6-F ,7-F,8-T,9-F,10-T,11-F,12-T, 13-T,14-F,15-T,16-F,17-T,18-T,19-T,20-F,21-F,22-F, 23-T,24-T.

 

[AGAviator]

21=FALSE

[Mark17]

I don't need a lesson from you about the UCMJ. I got more time in the latrine line than you got in the service. Now, go blow up someone else's skirt.

[america-rules]

What kind of commie are you.

This is a war and soldiers aren't there to kiss and hug these people.

What article in the UCMJ did they violate?

What do you think they would have done if they captured one of ours? They would have quartered him and dragged him in front of the media and then hung him up in the center of town and then put his head on the front of a Toyota like a dead deer !

Don't you also know the Taliban published instructions saying to claim they were beaten by Americans if they were ever caught and released? Don't you think our soldiers know this fact?

Finally, so what if they got a little rough..at least they didn't kill them !

[codeword]

What do you think they would have done if they captured one of ours? They would have quartered him and dragged him...

Did you even read the article? These people were not Taliban or Al Qaeda. According to the article, "The Pentagon has acknowledged that the raids were conducted in error, apparently because of flawed intelligence, and that the prisoners were neither members of Al Qaeda nor Taliban fighters. Local officials put the death toll at 21; the Pentagon says at least 15 Afghans were killed."

[AGAviator]

You got more time in the latrine and all the other places you went for 'tang, War Hero.

[AGAviator]

This is a war and soldiers aren't there to kiss and hug these people

These people are supposed to be our allies, get that through your head. Karzai is the Interim Afghan President and these people are his own tribesmen.

[Mark17]

Yep, and don't you forget it.

[Gurn]

These people are supposed to be our allies, get that through your head. Karzai is the Interim Afghan President and these people are his own tribesmen.

I take it back. You're not insane. You're an idiot. Ever wear the uniform, Alice?

[fsileeco]

These people are supposed to be our allies....
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"Supposed" is the operative word. I for one do not feel lucky around Persian/Mede/Arab types and so I have no problem with the means described above to keep them subdued.

[VRWC_minion]

With everyone having a reason to lie, I don't put much credence into anyones account. In addition to taking control, our gov't stated intentions is to create havoc with the terrorists and those that support them. Antagonizing one group and pitting them against another might be part of the new battle plan.

[drjimmy]

The difference being, of course, that we didn't start this war. They did. They have a culture and belief system that allows despotic rule by the Taliban. It's their tough damned luck. I would have used nukes.
You can call for nuking all of "them" or you can claim to be different from "them," but you cannot claim both. If you want to nuke innocent civilians then you want the same thing the terrorists wanted when they murdered people in the WTC and Pentagon.

[AGAviator]

Ever completed your Alcohol Counseling Class at the VA, maggot?

[Gurn]

I don't see any of them as innocent. As I said, they have an ingrained culture that allowed the Taliban to flourish. Can you name me one Arab democracy or Constitutional Republic? Anything resembling self-government?

Those people are dangerous, they are raised to hate us, and within 10 years time, this new "government" of Afghanistan will be our enemy, too. Mark it down.

Best to insure they can never again harm a single American, wouldn't you say?

[drjimmy]

Best to insure they can never again harm a single American, wouldn't you say?
Nuking every single non-democratic Arab nation won't even provide that insurance. Since you are proposing to do to innocent Arab civilians what the terrorists did on September 11 to innocent American civilians, you have answered the question, "Why Do They Hate Us?" It's fine if you don't give a damn whether they hate us or not, as long as they are nuked, but spare us the claim of moral superiority.

[calmseas]

I made no excuses, Dr. I simply made a statement of opinion. I think you read too much into my comments. And, yes, the same is true of those who died at WTC, the Pentagon, and the aircraft in PA: They were definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. No excuses--just a statement of the cruel facts.

[lavaroise]

Gees, another collateral damage uproar. Hey, maybe we should send more civilian human sacrifices to terror gods. That probably would sooth them and make us look better??? <P< Yeah, right, for sure the guys tried at Nuremberg seem like they were more humane than leftist dreamers who want to use more civilian body shields to offer as human sacrifices to terrorist gods, that is for sure.