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2 bill sto allow concealed guns in S.C. schools stun educators[sic]
The State ^ | Fri, Feb. 08, 2002 | By JOHN MONK News Columnist

Posted on 02/08/2002 2:19:06 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com

Proposals in the General Assembly to allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry their hidden guns into schools are alarming educators across South Carolina.

"Parents will be outraged to learn the General Assembly would consider making it public policy to have concealed weapons in places where we believe school children are the safest," said Robert Scarborough, executive director of the S.C. Association of School Administrators.

But some lawmakers say allowing qualified, armed citizens to take guns to schools -- which are now "gun-free" zones -- gives extra protection to children.

"Criminals should have to worry whether a citizen with a concealed weapons permit is armed and prepared to defend themselves," said Sen. Andre Bauer, a Republican who represents Newberry County and parts of Lexington County. He is a key bill sponsor and a candidate for lieutenant governor.

Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, was aghast at the idea of armed citizens staging gun battles in state schools.

"The bills' supporters are playing on macho fantasies," Jackson said.

Currently, about 35,000 South Carolinians have permits to carry hidden guns. To get permission to carry a concealed gun, citizens must take a state-approved firearms course and undergo a criminal records check.

However, state law prevents licensed concealed weapons holders from carrying their hidden guns into schools.

Bauer's Senate bill, and a House version by Rep. Jake Knotts, R-Lexington, would allow guns in far more places than schools. (Both Knotts and Bauer are authorized to carry concealed weapons.)

Neither bill has reached the floor of its respective chamber and their prospects are mixed.

The proposals would also allow qualified citizens to carry hidden guns into such places as churches, interstate rest area restrooms, college campuses and state parks.

The Senate version would grant concealed weapons permit holders more freedom than the House bill.

The Senate bill, for example, would allow concealed weapons permit holders to take guns into school buildings and classrooms.

But the House bill would only allow citizens to have concealed guns in school parking lots and driveways, Knotts said.

"We don't want people walking around schoolyards with guns," Knotts said.

Bauer said an armed citizen might be able to stop a criminal who is endangering children at a school.

The House bill -- which has 40 supporters besides Knotts --contains other limitations on gun carriers.

For example, Knotts said his House bill requires a church's leadership to give written permission before a person can carry a hidden gun in church.

Knotts said he doesn't envision churches full of armed worshippers; he only wants church members to feel secure when they do things like pick up church money to deposit it in the bank.

"If you need to carry a weapon into church, you need to go to another church," Knotts said.

Jackson, a minister, said he can't imagine church leaders wanting their members to go armed.

"The leaders of my church aren't asking for people to carry concealed weapons," Jackson said.

In any case, Bauer said, qualified citizens ought to be able to carry concealed weapons at such places as interstate rest areas and remote campgrounds, Bauer said.

"These are places where citizens are susceptible to violence."

Knotts and Bauer also said the state's 35,000 concealed weapons permit holders shouldn't have to worry about being arrested if they carry their guns into many public places where they are now banned from taking them.

"These people have demonstrated they are responsible. They are not the kind of people we have to worry about," said Bauer.

Knotts said, "We don't want to make these people criminals."

Jim Foster, spokesman for the S.C. Department of Education, said the state's 1,100 public schools are "gun-free zones" with "zero tolerance" for weapons.

"It's difficult to see how softening that position would make our schools safer," Foster said.

University of South Carolina spokesman Russ McKinney said USC is against the bills.

"We're charged with providing safety to faculty, students and staff and having weapons on campus we aren't aware of doesn't make a whole lot of sense," McKinney said.

Knotts said, "A law abiding citizen ought to be able to protect himself."



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Bad guys can't ever be trusted and the cops aren't doing so well in (Philly) schools at the moment. Have Moms or Dads screwed up recently?

As to "educators" being stunned, considering the sorry state of education in SC, "Well, duuuh!"

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

1 posted on 02/08/2002 2:19:06 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (dhuffman@awod.com)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"..."Parents will be outraged to learn the General Assembly would consider making it public policy to have concealed weapons in places where we believe school children are the safest," said Robert Scarborough, executive director of the S.C. Association of School Administrators..."

What a moron...

American public schools are UNSAFE, on multiple levels, both for the bodies and the minds of those children unfortunate enough to find themselves attending them.

2 posted on 02/08/2002 2:33:26 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
South Carolina legislators are doing what legislators in every state should be doing; going on the attack. The yankee liberal owners of the State newspaper were obviously stunned, rather than any "educators" as suggested by the title.
3 posted on 02/08/2002 3:10:27 AM PST by Twodees
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"The bills' supporters are playing on macho fantasies,"

As opposed to hysterical fantasies of flying guns shooting people?

4 posted on 02/08/2002 3:16:18 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: DWSUWF
American public schools are UNSAFE, on multiple levels, both for the bodies and the minds of those children unfortunate enough to find themselves attending them.

yeah being outta high school for a year now i can testify to that it was more money for security than education the only thing teachers care about is there paychecks they dont care if there kids are learning or even listening and the kids who ask for help (i was one of those) would rarely ever get it but im not gonna use up FR bandwith to tell my life story.

5 posted on 02/08/2002 3:30:15 AM PST by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: deathscythex
Well, it's not fair that you were cheated out of a decent education, but neither is it fatal.

It's never too late to learn the things you need to know to function at a high level. All that's needed is a bit of desire and initiative on your part.

Good luck.

6 posted on 02/08/2002 3:38:52 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: dhuffman@awod.com;*bang_list
This is a terrible idea.

Everyone knows the only people who should have guns on school property are insane killers and over-medicated children.

Arming responsible adults is a step in the wrong direction.

7 posted on 02/08/2002 3:53:19 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: Twodees
" The yankee liberal owners of the State newspaper were obviously stunned, rather than any "educators" as suggested by the title."

Since when is any newspaper or democrat for gun rights? It's always the same story. There's a repub fighting for Second Amendment rights and some dem fighting against it, just like in this article.

8 posted on 02/08/2002 5:51:06 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
This is the sort of thing that could have prevented Columbine.
9 posted on 02/08/2002 6:24:50 AM PST by shekkian
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"These people have demonstrated they are responsible. They are not the kind of people we have to worry about," said Bauer.

Bingo!

It's not the permit holders that you need to worry about. A criminal isn't going to go to the expense and trouble of getting a permit. They're just going to get a gun, go to school and start shooting. When that happens, I want someone there who's able to shoot back.

10 posted on 02/08/2002 7:01:15 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, was aghast at the idea of armed citizens staging gun battles in state schools.

Well, of course. It's much more orderly if bullets are only flying in one direction. < /sarcasm >

11 posted on 02/08/2002 7:30:46 AM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: *South_Carolina
bump
12 posted on 02/08/2002 9:45:11 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Shooter 2.5
I grew up in South Carolina with The State newspaper. It wasn't always a liberal rag. Anyway, the very first guncontrol laws ever passed in South Carolina came from republicans. South Carolina republicans ain't much of anything to brag about usually. They're usually indistinguishable from their pals across the aisle, just like in most other states.
13 posted on 02/08/2002 4:20:00 PM PST by Twodees
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Jim Foster, spokesman for the S.C. Department of Education, said the state's 1,100 public schools are "gun-free zones" with "zero tolerance" for weapons.

"It's difficult to see how softening that position would make our schools safer," Foster said.

Because all the best shootings take place in gun-free zones...

14 posted on 02/08/2002 4:24:45 PM PST by ez
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To: AAABEST
Everyone knows the only people who should have guns on school property are insane killers and over-medicated children.

Arming responsible adults is a step in the wrong direction.

LMAO...

15 posted on 02/08/2002 4:26:11 PM PST by ez
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To: Twodees
"It's difficult to see how softening that position would make our schools safer," Foster said.

Is it "difficult" for you, Mr. Foster? Here, I'll make it easier.

The bad people HAVE guns. Give some of the GOOD PEOPLE guns.

16 posted on 02/08/2002 4:33:55 PM PST by ez
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To: Twodees
I just received my state association report card on gun rights and most of the repubs have an A or B. A small number of dems either have an A or a C. Most of the dems never replied to the questionaire which I will take as a D or F.

I'm curious. What's the name of your association? They should have their reports out all ready for the primaries.

17 posted on 02/08/2002 4:39:31 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"...educators..." - the lowest of the low.

"...hidden..." "...outraged..." - more libero-Nazi buzz words

"...aghast at the idea of armed citizens staging gun battles in STATE schools." Where did the moron come up with this scenario; gun battles in private schools would be OK, I suppose.

"...bill requires a church's leadership to give written permission before a person can carry a hidden gun in church." - What about the vaunted, and totally non-existent, Constitutional separation of church and state?

prambo

18 posted on 02/08/2002 4:50:49 PM PST by prambo
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To: Shooter 2.5
I support GOA and JPFO. I don't live in my home state anymore so I haven't really looked at ratings for South Carolina politicians. My comment applies to politicians everywhere. There's no real difference between them once you start ignoring their rhetoric.
19 posted on 02/09/2002 9:38:03 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
It helps to support the national groups and the state groups. I looked for South Carolina on the internet and didn't find anything until I looked at the CMP website. The name of the state association is Gun Owners of South Carolina. The CMP site also lists the groups in all fifty states.

It also helps to join a gun club that's affiliated with the associations.

20 posted on 02/09/2002 10:28:40 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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