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Is Free Republic becoming increasingly hostile towards Social Conservatives?
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Posted on 02/07/2002 8:02:41 AM PST by watsonfellow

In the past few months I have noticed that the posters on Free Republic have become more and more hostile towards social conservatism.

And I do not mean indifference (less pro life threads etc) but an outright hostility at pro life and other social conservative causes.

Am I alone in thinking this?

In particular, notice the responses to the thread concerning the recent request by social conservative groups to the FCC to reign in Fox's racey primetime programs.

I wonder if this is becoming only a haven for hedonists and libertarians, and if so, perhaps it would be better for social conservatives to find their own site.


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To: Kevin Curry
Only in your DREAMS are you on the right path. You get bashed because your "arguments" are the same warmed-over statist bs that infests your whole outlook on life. Judeo-Christian ethics? Not you. You want BIG GOVERNMENT ethics, that is ethics at the point of a gun... as long as it's YOU holding the gun. Where did Christ EVER tell His disciples to have GOVERNMENT do their job???????????? Huh????

You're a good one, you are!

601 posted on 02/07/2002 8:18:04 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: £inuxgruven
Okay. Marijuana was decriminalized in 10 states and legalized in the Netherlands. Both decriminalization and legalization were disasters.

That's why California recriminalized marijuana in 1985.

602 posted on 02/07/2002 8:18:59 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Kevin Curry
Here I am in SLC...waiting for the Olympics to begin tommorrow...

The whole place is a little nervous...more Police than I have ever seen in one place...armed National Guard all over the place.....F-16's out of Hill AFB flying patrol overhead....Blackhawk helicopters flying about.

Lot's of people kinda worried about terrorism...

..and then I read your reply.

Thanks...I needed the laugh!!!!!!

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

603 posted on 02/07/2002 8:29:20 PM PST by redrock
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To: Ol' Sparky
You're in rare form tonight, telling JimRob who he ought to allow in HIS house. But then that's you... morality at gunpoint as long as YOU hold the gun. Thanks but no thanks. We have had way too much of that. It's time to restore our Constitution as the supreme law of the land instead of toilet paper as both Left and Right seem to want.

BTW, while homosexuality is abhorrent to me, as long as it's kept private and out of my sight, it's not my business. Its proponents may NOT thrust it in my face or they stand to lose something real personal. No one should have ANY special protective legislation for any reason. The (local, NOT federal) laws against crime in general should suffice for ALL citizens and legal residents.

604 posted on 02/07/2002 8:40:18 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: watsonfellow
Buckley admits he's pro-drugs. There MAY be other poison in there. Pro-druggism is a form of filth that usually has some roomies...
606 posted on 02/07/2002 9:29:59 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: watsonfellow
My dear Watson, let not your heart be troubled. It does seem to be true that the usual heathen rabble of hedonists, libertarians, athiests, agnostics, and their fellow travelers are even more annoying then usual but that is not the whole picture. Many conservatives are becoming less active because a Jesus praising social conservative now runs the country. Also communists such as the ones at the Democatic Underground are hard at work undermining Free Republic. Social Conservatives need to stay right here. There is still much work to do in the area of saving America from the Hun. We must grab the socialists, hedonists, libertarians, athiests, ect. by the scruff of their necks and verbally smack some sense into them. We need to do this while running victory laps on behalf of the President. Now give me a high five and get back in there and win one for the gipper. --MM
607 posted on 02/07/2002 9:42:39 PM PST by mustapha mond
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To: dcwusmc
It's the typical BS from you that allowing drug users to get high and endanger non-users is some kind of freedom or right. No, behavior that endangers innocent people's lives is a crime. We've lost more people due to drunk driving the past 20 years than we have to murder. We certainly don't need to increase the number of intoxicated losers in this nation by increasing drugs.

Ronald Reagan -- a conservative icon -- was right on the topic.

608 posted on 02/07/2002 10:41:03 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: dax zenos
The worst part to me is the Libertarian party backs this carnage in the name of freedom.

The most ludicrous aspect of their moral-liberal ideology is how they'll claim that people have a right to commit evil, to be enslaved by vice, and to pursue unneeded suffering, and then claim that people have no right to determine what kind of a society they are to live in. Chairman Mao couldn't have come up with a more unAmerican creed.

609 posted on 02/07/2002 10:48:55 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: eno_
What the hell are you talking about Roscoe?

Should I use smaller words?

610 posted on 02/07/2002 11:11:37 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Ol' Sparky
That's why California recriminalized marijuana in 1985.

And Alaska's voters in 1990.

611 posted on 02/07/2002 11:16:55 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Ol' Sparky
legalized in the Netherlands

You really do not have a clue about this topic do you Sparkster

The problem is you think your informed about the topic. It is funny though. Thanks for the :D

612 posted on 02/07/2002 11:20:51 PM PST by £inuxgruven
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To: watsonfellow
Free Republic has become increasingly hostile toward everyone. I don't think that social conservatives have been necessarily singled out.

I've been lurking here for years, and the tone and tenor of the exchanges here have become vile in that timespan.

I ignore it. The only thing that causes me dismay is the inability to find any real news here, anymore, amongst the noise. This place used to be really exciting for news.

613 posted on 02/07/2002 11:24:06 PM PST by The Matrix
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To: Dan from Michigan
You weren't even alive , when FDR was president. Perhaps your parents weren't either , or if they were, they weren't adults. So, you are being a tad disengenuous.
614 posted on 02/07/2002 11:24:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Ol' Sparky
Marijuana is still not 'legal' in The Netherlands. They just take enforcing the laws about as seriously as Americans do against having your friends over for nickel-ante poker night in your den.

You get caught with 10 pounds of marijuana in the trunk of your car in Holland, and you're in trouble. You're a goner if it's any other drug.

The Dutch don't have the same view towards heroin (for instance) as they do towards marijuana.

615 posted on 02/08/2002 12:01:20 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: watsonfellow
I wonder if this is becoming only a haven for hedonists and libertarians, and if so, perhaps it would be better for social conservatives to find their own site.

I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.By "social liberal" I mean that your religious points of view belongs to you,your family between the four walls of your home and the church were you belong,period.Religion is to diverse and complex to be discussed and argued about it.As to, for other social issues, everything should be adressed on its own merrits with facts on hand when deliberated.
Very often I have noticed that religion was injected in many aspects of social issues discussion.Keep in mind that the conservatives "social issues" is the other side of the sword next to liberal "social issues".

You, by just invoking the word "hedonists", it shows me that you see everything thru the prism of religion rather then using plain rationale.In today's socio-political environment, is imperative to use clear and sound judgment instead emotions, to ensure the right outcome.

616 posted on 02/08/2002 12:07:36 AM PST by danmar
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To: dax zenos
the cemetaries hold alot of people with the same attitude.

Actually, the cemetaries hold everybody, without prejudice.

618 posted on 02/08/2002 3:48:34 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: Ol' Sparky
Reagan was a conservative, not a libertarian. That means he was for small government, but also for justice in regard to behavior that harmed society. The Founders created the freest nation on earth and favored laws against adultery and sodomy. They, too, were conservative, not libertarian.

We could argue those two points forever, and neither of us would likely budge. I'm more interested in addressing today's practical matters, which is why I can't understand why you still refuse to respond to this comment:

"Every group consists of subsets of groups whose beliefs are varied, but mostly similar. You would do better to cooperate on those issues where you agree (gun control, income tax, etc) than to try and evict these potential allies from "your" movement."

Do you have such a passionate hatred of libertarians because they would leave people to the privacy of their bedroom (or make adultery a civil matter as opposed to criminal) that you cannot reconcile with them on the issues where you agree and work toward common goals?

619 posted on 02/08/2002 3:51:56 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Dan from Michigan; Kevin Curry
The FCC wasn't created for regulating programming content. It happened to do that later on. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing the FCC should have control over, is regulating what frequencies different broadcasters have. Radio stations have certain frequencies. TV has other ones. Etc. That is their job, and should be their only job.

DFM, this is a well-reasoned approach, but one I do disagree with to a certain extent. I think you and I agree that control of content should be done on more of a local level rather than a federal level. If there were a way to do that, I would be all for it. Anything that dismantles the Federal behemoth in favor of local government is a good thing. However, where I part ways with libertarians is this: not all "government" control is bad. Our form of government, a representative republic, ideally allows majority mores to control while protecting minority interests. You ask how decency is defined? It is defined by the prevailing community standards, a tautology I know, but a useful one. And communities must have a fundamental right to set standards for behavior within themselves, otherwise they are not communities, by definition.

The issue becomes whether it is possible for individual localities to set these standards, or whether it is more expedient and useful to have a national regulatory agency do it. I won’t pretend to understand the scientific or technological nuances of regulating something like broadcasting frequencies. I suspect that a national agency is the only thing that could work, but I may be wrong. Certainly there have been no incentives offered to develop any alternative, unfortunately.

620 posted on 02/08/2002 4:24:10 AM PST by Under the Radar
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