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Did U.S. hit Al Qaeda leaders..(Maybe Bin Laden)
CBS News ^ | David Martin

Posted on 02/06/2002 3:45:24 PM PST by Buzznutt

CBS) CBS National Security Correspondent David Martin has learned that an unmanned drone operated by the CIA fired a missile at what was believed to be a group of senior al Qaeda leaders meeting in the mountains of southeastern Afghanistan.

The strike occurred Monday night near the cave complex known as Zawar Khili and so far intelligence officials have not been able to confirm the identities of any of the al Qaeda leaders.

Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants are believed to have been hiding at Zawar Khili since escaping the bombing of Tora Bora two months ago.

In previous raids, U.S. special operations forces have found large caches of weapons and documents at Zawar Khili.

As one senior official described the attack, SUVs protected by armed guards pulled up, three men in white robes got out, and, the official said, "we killed them" with a missile fired from the CIA drone.

Since Monday's raid, the Pentagon has been trying to put a commando team on the ground to identify the bodies but bad weather has made it too dangerous to fly a helicopter in the mountainous terrain.

Meanwhile, American authorities in Afghanistan have released 27 people taken prisoner during a raid last month on what U.S. forces mistook as a hide-out for al Qaeda terrorists.

An investigation by U.S. Central Command is trying to determine whether some or all of the estimated 19 people killed also were innocents, Maj. Ralph Mills, a spokesman for the command, said Wednesday.

After two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts of what happened in the Jan. 23 raid, the Pentagon made no official announcement Wednesday. Asked about it by reporters during an appearance on Capitol Hill, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he did not know the 27 had been released.

"It's a very complicated situation on the ground" in Afghanistan, Rumsfeld said, especially as the new government works to overcome feudal divisions within the country and empower people once loyal to the routed Taliban rulers. "So how anyone would identify people at any given moment is not simple," he said. "It's complex."

The episode underscores the difficulty U.S. and allied troops face in hunting down remnants of al Qaeda and Taliban fighters at a time when the Afghan government is trying to overcome tribal divisions.

U.S. forces in Afghanistan were preparing to take possession of as many as 60 more Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners held by Afghan forces, a senior U.S. defense official said. The number of prisoners in U.S. custody in Afghanistan has stood at 324 for more than a week; there also are 158 al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners held at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

It was not clear Wednesday whether any of the additional 60 prisoners to be turned over later this week in Afghanistan were senior figures in either al Qaeda or the Taliban militia that supported it. Officials said it was possible that U.S. officials would not accept all the prisoners offered.

The transfer of al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay resumed Wednesday with an Air Force C-17 transport plane taking off from Kandahar, Afghanistan. It was due to arrive in Cuba on Thursday.

At the Pentagon, a senior defense official said about 30 prisoners were aboard the C-17, the first flight in a planned series of about five to Guantanamo Bay over the next 10 days to two weeks.

After a series of flights between Jan. 11 and 21, Rumsfeld halted the process while more temporary cells were built. A new group of 160 cells is now ready to receive prisoners, officials said Wednesday.

The 27 captured in the Jan. 23 raid by Army special forces were released to authorities of the Afghan interim government at about 6:30 a.m. EST Wednesday, Central Command spokesman Mills said.

"We were able to determine that they were not Taliban forces and they were not affiliated with al Qaeda," Mills said.

Asked to confirm Afghan claims that two were local police officials, he said: "We do believe that some of them were criminals, (so) we decided we will not release names or other identifying information."

Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of the war, ordered an investigation last week in response to assertions by Afghan government officials that people opposed to the Taliban were among those killed or captured.

In a related matter, The Washington Post quoted the interim leader of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, as saying U.S. forces have admitted to him that they mistakenly killed innocent people a day before his inauguration when U.S. jets destroyed a convoy of trucks near the city of Khost in Paktia province, also on the belief it included Taliban and al Qaeda leaders.

Up to 65 people reportedly were killed.

Karzai said U.S. forces were purposely misled into believing the convoy included Taliban officials. Americans have said from the outset that rivalries between ethnic groups and local warlords have made more difficult the campaign to get bin Laden, his al Qaeda network and the Taliban rulers who harbored them.

At the country's opposite extreme, far to the east in Gardez, there was little sign of progress in efforts to resolve a power struggle between clans from the majority Pashtun ethnic group.

The recently appointed governor of Paktia, Padshah Khan Zadran, was driven out of his capital, Gardez, 70 miles south of Kabul, late last week after two days of clashes with forces of a rival who says he is the rightful governor.

The clashes cost the lives of around 50 fighters, and Zadran's forces have threatened to launch a counter-attack to try to recapture Gardez if he is not returned to power.

A team of government mediators traveled to Gardez on the weekend but failed to push the two sides into a peace pact, although they did get them to agree to a brief ceasefire and to swap prisoners from last week's fighting.

The fighting erupted when Zadran's forces tried to disarm some of Saifullah's troops. Karzai on Tuesday blamed Zadran for sparking the conflict with the heavy-handed tactics of his troops, but played down the significance of the clashes for his government, especially given the country's long history of war.

In other war-related developments: The New York Times is reporting that the name of a New Jersey man whose whereabouts are unknown has turned up on what appears to be a recruiting list used by pro-Taliban militants. Hiram Torres has reportedly been out of touch with his family since 1998, when he told his mother he was in Afghanistan, studying.

Saudi Arabia said that since Sept. 11, it has detained about 30 people based on lists provided by the United States. Interior Minister Prince Nayef says those individuals who are still in custody are men who "have been influenced by (Osama) bin Laden's thinking."

An industry spokesman says the world's airlines may have lost a record $15 billion last year, largely as a result of the terrorist attacks on the United States.

©MMII CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Reuters Limited and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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To: SolitaryMan
Well, according to Donald Rumsfeld, it's not! ;^)
61 posted on 02/06/2002 11:28:45 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: RightWhale
Hmmm? This is the FIFTH time they have killed him.
62 posted on 02/07/2002 12:06:17 AM PST by cavador
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for update on the pool.
63 posted on 02/07/2002 3:51:12 AM PST by bwteim
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To: womanvet; NYC GOP Chick
Actually, the no-no is wearing white *after* Labor Day. :-D

Is this before this year's Labour Day, or after last year's?

It's a no-no to wear white before Memorial Day and after Labor Day. In Afghanistan I would suggest not wearing white at all. Too visible

64 posted on 02/07/2002 5:04:10 AM PST by barker
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To: Ole Okie
"But do those SUV's average 37 miles per gallon as Sen. John F. Kennedy er..Kerry demands for the new CAFE standards?"

No, that is why they were offed. Otherwise, the DemocRATS wouldn't have allowed it.

65 posted on 02/07/2002 5:17:04 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: ASA Vet, RightWhale
You folks sure on that? I know he has not been heard from in over 2 months, which is strange because he likes to hear himself talk, but do we have evidence that he is dead? And remind me, what happened on Dec. 13th?
66 posted on 02/07/2002 5:52:59 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: RightWhale
So I guess that we are waiting for the right time to bring this out, right?
67 posted on 02/07/2002 5:56:09 AM PST by RamsNo1
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To: RamsNo1
well Osama may have been already killed, but I think it is a good idea to do it again, you just can't kill AlQuaida enough as far as I am concerned. Oh heck, lets just kill him over and over like that kid on South Park.
68 posted on 02/07/2002 6:00:08 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: All

69 posted on 02/07/2002 6:10:37 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo
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To: Sabertooth
30th May Please.... Ta I think warm weather might help er.. locate his remains...
70 posted on 02/07/2002 6:55:27 AM PST by 2oakes
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To: irish_lad
Anybody here, seen Usama Bin Laden
Can you tell me where he's gone
He killed a lot of people
The good, the old, the young
We just looked around, and they were gone

Anybody here, seen Usama Bin Laden
Can you tell me where he's gone
I thought I saw him marching
Through caves and hills to Iran
With Mullah Omar, Atef and Swedam

Didn't you know we would bomb all his houses
And didn't you know he would cry
Didn't you know we could never forgive him
And didn't you know he would die

Anybody here, seen our late friend, Bin Laden
Can you tell me where he's gone
I thought I saw him screaming in pain and on fire
With Mullah Omar, Atef and Swedam

71 posted on 02/07/2002 6:57:10 AM PST by Attillathehon
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To: ASA Vet
Thanks. Interesting!
72 posted on 02/07/2002 7:32:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: cavador
well, it still isn't as many times as they "recounted the votes" in Floridah!
73 posted on 02/07/2002 7:36:20 AM PST by princess leah
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62 posted on 2/6/02 5:42 PM Eastern by Notwithstanding

74 posted on 02/07/2002 7:42:01 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Buzznutt
A chance we get Bin Laden, but all I see is Enron BS. Sad.
75 posted on 02/07/2002 7:48:08 AM PST by madison46
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Since Monday's raid, the Pentagon has been trying to put a commando team on the ground to identify the bodies but bad weather has made it too dangerous to fly a helicopter in the mountainous terrain.

But I read on CNN's web-page that the Predator was a useless boondoggle. It couldn't fly in rain, snow, cold or high wind and it could not pinpoint targets. It was all right there in this story:

Pilotless U.S. spy plane plagued by shortcomings

CNN couldn't be wrong, could they. Oh, my whole world is spinning!

76 posted on 02/07/2002 8:11:30 AM PST by gridlock
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To: Buzznutt
The New York Times is reporting that the name of a New Jersey man whose whereabouts are unknown has turned up on what appears to be a recruiting list used by pro-Taliban militants. Hiram Torres has reportedly been out of touch with his family since 1998,...

This kid is local to me, from Perth Amboy, NJ. I heard some radio interviews, where they interviewed this guy's classmates from High School. Apparently he was the Valedictorian, and people remember him well.

You know how the interviews always are "He was such a nice boy, who ever would have suspected!...". Well the people interviewed on the radio all said, "Yep, old Hiram, we knew this would happen. He's been a nut-case from way back!"

I think things have changed in this country.

77 posted on 02/07/2002 8:15:34 AM PST by gridlock
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To: KC_Conspirator
do we have evidence that he is dead?

No evidence, but an eyewitness account of the death and burial, plus the PM of Pakistan --Musharaff's-- opinion, who seems to be a straightforward person [could be wrong, too.]

There may never be evidence.

78 posted on 02/07/2002 8:46:54 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: stboz
Psst!! Hey, Osama!! Want to see yourself on TV?"

Smile! You're on Candid Camera.

79 posted on 02/07/2002 9:02:36 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RightWhale
What did the eyewitness of the burial say? How did he die and where is the body? (Or is there a body?)
80 posted on 02/07/2002 11:06:00 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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