Posted on 02/06/2002 11:44:28 AM PST by inflorida
This just reported on Fox news. A 10 year old child in Pennsylvania was accidentally shot in the head during a school demonstration by an off-duty cop.
The child is expected to survive.
Note the change in title: the GUN did it!
Here is the latest UPDATE from http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/local/2621947.htm:Officer's gun goes off during show-and-tell
Inquirer Staff WritersShortly after a Philadelphia policewoman passed around a loaded handgun among students during show-and-tell at a Germantown charter school, the weapon accidentally discharged yesterday afternoon, grazing a 10-year-old boy in the face.
The student, fourth grader James Reeves, received five stitches at Temple University Children's Hospital and returned home last night in good condition, while police and school officials continued their investigation into the incident at Imani Education Circle Charter School in Germantown.
The officer, Vanessa Carter-Moragne, 39, a five-year veteran assigned to the Ninth Police District in Center City, was removed from street duty and is now the subject of an Internal Affairs investigation, police said.
Acting Commissioner Sylvester M. Johnson called the officer's actions "unheard of and inexcusable."
"We're grateful that the injuries were not more serious. . . . It's fortunate that no one got killed today," Johnson said. "I cannot give you a logical explanation for Officer Vanessa Carter-Moragne's poor judgment."
Philadelphia Police Capt. Edward Chiodetti said that about 3 p.m., the officer went to the school to pick up her son and was interacting with the students in the boy's classroom. Chiodetti said the children first wanted to see her badge, which she displayed, and then asked to see her weapon, a 9 mm Glock semiautomatic.
Johnson said the officer removed the clip from the weapon and then passed the gun among the children.
Carter-Moragne "allowed the children to handle it," Johnson said. "When she attempted to place the magazine back into the Glock, her gun accidentally discharged."
Even if a clip, which contains the bullets, is removed, a round can remain in the chamber unless it is taken out separately.
"You never know. You can pull the clip out and there's one in the chamber," Johnson said.
A girl who was among the 23 children in the classroom at the time of the incident, 9-year-old Aatiqah Johnson, said: "Everybody was passing it around."
The weapon eventually was returned to the officer.
Aatiqah said there was a bang, and then she saw blood.
"She accidentally pulled the trigger," Aatiqah said as she was leaving school holding hands with her mother, Melita Johnson.
Authorities said the officer most likely pulled the trigger as she attempted to insert the clip back into the grip.
Johnson said the bullet hit the floor and a fragment ricocheted and grazed James Reeves' right cheek.
Other students said they were told to return to their rooms after the gun went off as police descended on the campus on the 5600 block of Greene Street.
Johnson said officers are trained to never take their weapons to a school or use a gun during a demonstration. Instead, Johnson said, the department advises to use pictures or videos.
Imani principal Francine Fulton said that the school encouraged parents to participate in such activities and that the school was aware of the demonstration. Fulton declined to discuss the matter further.
Johnson said the demonstration was not coordinated through the Police Department. Officials said arrangements had been made for counselors to speak with children at the school today.
Throughout the afternoon yesterday, concerned parents arrived at the school to pick up their children. Many of the parents had heard of the incident from news reports or from friends and already knew that their own children were fine.
Tim Williams, whose son Armani is in kindergarten, said he wanted to know more about what happened.
"I was relieved to find out that it was an off-duty officer and not another student," Williams said. Still, he was concerned about a gun being brought into a classroom. The whole situation, he said, "was too close for comfort."
Another parent who rushed to the school, Rhoshanna Morgan, picked up her first grader, Nadirah, 6.
Morgan said that she learned of the discharge from relatives who work at the school and that she hoped future show-and-tell programs would be safer.
"I just hope all the children would be safe," Morgan said.
The incident came five days after an off-duty school district police officer who was working as a part-time school-bus driver came under investigation when students from Imani and another charter school told their parents he threatened them with a gun.
Police said that officer, who at the time was driving a school bus, stopped on the route after school to calm unruly children. The officer, whose name was not released, hollered at the kids to sit down and be quiet and made reference to his gun. He was not charged, but the matter remained under investigation.
Barbara Boyer's e-mail address is bboyer@phillynews.com.Inquirer staff writer Robert Moran contributed to this article.
THEY are still running with the ORIGINAL "gun-dropping moron" story, from yesterday, at http://www.kyw.com/now/story/0,1597,328490-406,00.shtml:Bullet Grazes StudentPhiladelphia, PA
Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 10:33 PM ET(AP) A 10-year-old boy was grazed in the right cheek by a bullet that apparently discharged Wednesday afternoon when an off-duty police officer conducting a school demonstration dropped her gun, officials said.
The child, James Reeves, was taken by ambulance to Temple University Children's Medical Center and treated for a graze wound to the cheek before being released about three hours after the incident, spokeswoman Jennifer McGowan said. "I am stunned. This is the first time I can recall something like this happening," acting police commissioner Sylvester Johnson said.
Officer Vanessa Carter-Morange, 39, who has been on the force for 5 1/2 years, was reassigned to desk duty pending an investigation. Johnson declined to discuss possible disciplinary action but acknowledged that she could lose her job.
Carter-Morange's own child was among the 23 fourth-graders in the class shortly before 3 p.m. at the Imani Education Circle Charter School in the city's Oak Lane section.
As part of a demonstration, Carter-Morange was showing the gun and magazine clip to the class. She had just put the clip back in the gun when she dropped the weapon, principal Francine Fulton said. The gun discharged, and the bullet ricocheted off the floor and hit the child, she said.
Fulton did not know if the gun discharged when it hit the floor or when the officer retrieved it, and would not say whether the officer was in uniform.
"I'm not sure what kind of demonstration it was," said Sgt. Roland Lee, a Philadelphia police department spokesman. Officers conducting programs in schools might carry a gun, but shouldn't pull it out, he said.
The charter school, which is run by a community board of directors, was cordoned off Wednesday afternoon and treated as a crime scene as parents arrived to pick up their children.
Shalawn Edwards received a call telling her to pick up her daughter, Seani, who is in first grade. "I was really frightened. I didn't know what to think," she said.
Tim Williams rushed to the school to pick up his son Armani, a kindergartner who typically has after-school activities until about 6 p.m., after he heard about the shooting on the news. "It's too close for comfort," he said.
Children from the same school were involved in an incident Friday in which a substitute bus driver allegedly threatened unruly students, saying he had a weapon and ordering them to keep quiet. Police later stopped the bus and found the 58-year-old driver with a 9 mm semiautomatic gun.
The driver, who had a permit for the weapon and apparently did not brandish it, was questioned by police but not charged.
Watch Eyewitness News for an update on this story.
Associated Press
"...As part of a demonstration, Carter-Morange was showing the gun and magazine clip to the class. She had just put the clip back in the gun when she dropped the weapon, principal Francine Fulton said. The gun discharged, and the bullet ricocheted off the floor and hit the child, she said.Fulton did not know if the gun discharged when it hit the floor or when the officer retrieved it..."
NRA instructors, I've found, are often just about as smug and ignorant as a lot of LEOs are. Hate to break it to them, but the NRA is far from being the end-all and be-all of firearms.
- Jefferson Adams, former NRA Life Member, resigned.
(Hint. Hint. FReep time?)Barbara Boyer's e-mail address is bboyer@phillynews.com.
If she had properly unloaded the weapon, it could not have fired when it hit the floor or when she picked it up because there would not be a cartridge in the chamber at that point.
While you're at it, inform her that pistols don't have "clips," they have "magazines." Sheesh.
Yes I am from Philly and I don't recall the story .. I guess because there are so many stories like that ..
With that said .. not all Philly Police officers are idiots .. but there are a few out there that give the rest a bad name ...
Johnson said the officer removed the clip from the weapon and then passed the gun among the children. Carter-Moragne "allowed the children to handle it," Johnson said. "When she attempted to place the magazine back into the Glock, her gun accidentally discharged." Even if a clip, which contains the bullets, is removed, a round can remain in the chamber unless it is taken out separately.
Clearly this officer was passing a sidearm with a round in the chamber that was ready to fire. Whatever happened to passing a firearm with the action open so that the person recieving it can verify that it is empty and in a "safe" condition. The officer in question at minimum needs to be facing reckless endangerment charges. Now to the best of my knowledge the action on a Glock will not fire just because it was dropped. This makes about as much sense as someone stating that they dropped some ammunition and it went off causing the bullet to kill or wound someone. Ask anyone who has ever seen ammunition in a fire and they will tell you that is total crap.
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
Best of luck .. The Phladelphia Inquirer needs all the help they can get .. on this and many other subjects
The NRA is the end-all and be-all of firearms. It depends on what class you go to.
All guns are loaded.
Stick with that assumption, and you'll never do what this dumb*ss cop did.
(A) the Glock incident,the kid is going to be ok, but IMHO the LEO messed up bad, real bad, and
(B) The memorial service and committal service for Officer Dennis McNamara, of the Upper Darby Police, who was shot during a routine traffic stop last week by a former Pagan MC gang member.
The non-reporting of the funeral was IMHO, a slap by the news media at a fine officer, and a good friend. Fortunately, the service was on the cable network from UDHS (fortunately covered) otherwise you got 1-2 mins of coverage maximum.
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Greg
Not so.
Pistols like Smith semi's, for example, have magazine disconnectors, so if there's no magazine, the gun won't fire.
Of course, a pistolsmith can usually correct this design "deficiency" pretty easily.
I tend to go beyond that in how I instruct people. My view is not to treat "every gun as though it were loaded and ready to fire", but instead to have the mindset that it IS loaded. Even after you have personally ejected the mag, and ejected the round from the chamber, and visually inspected the action as being empty, as far as I and anybody I teach is concerned, the gun IS still loaded and MAY NOT be waved around or pointed at people. It's a subtle and maybe zen-like distinction, but I feel that it's an important mind-set to have
Because if you handle guns long enough and often enough, one day you WILL have in your hands a loaded gun that you could have sworn was unloaded. Someday you WILL be handling a gun and will be distracted or not have complete attention on what you're doing. If you continue to handle any firearm AS a LOADED firearm, then even when you screw up, (and I use "when" rather than "if" deliberately) you are much less likely to kill somebody by accident.
I was involved in a thread on another message board (The Firing Line Great place for all kinds of gun talk) where we were detailing all of our NDs.
One guy said that there are basically two kinds of people. Those who have already had an ND, and those who will.
I had mine a few years back. I was following the other three rules, and only managed to take a small chunk out of a concrete wall in my garage.
It only takes one ND to scare the poop outta ya, and give you some serious religion concerning gun handling.
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