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Child shot in head by off duty cop during school demo
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Posted on 02/06/2002 11:44:28 AM PST by inflorida

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To: Future Snake Eater
You gentlemen who are afraid of Glocks because they lack an external safety (they have 3 different internal safties that prevent the gun from discharging until the trigger is pulled) or because you "can't see when they are cocked" are prime candidates for negligent discharges of your own. Mechanical safties fail, people get tired or careless, things don't always go as expected.

My guns are (1) all loaded (2) never pointed at something I don't wish to destroy (3) never have a finger on their triggers util I am (4) sure of my target and ready to shoot. Y'all better follow suit before you shoot something you wish you hadn't with your revolvers or 1911's.

181 posted on 02/06/2002 1:23:58 PM PST by ibbryn
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To: AAABEST
I will agree with all of the Glock owners here that if the gun is properly handled and all safety rules are followed, there is no problem. This makes the gun ideal for the experienced and concientious gun-owner. They are durable and can withstand harsh environments well and I will stipulate that the very, very rarely (if ever) go off without somebody pulling the trigger

The problem comes when the gun is not properly handled and all the safety rules are not followed. I dare say they were not in this case. Some other designs will keep a careless user from hurting himself or someone else. Of course, you can look at this two ways. It also means that people may habitually be more careless with the gun, because they think it has safeties that will protect them.

182 posted on 02/06/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by gridlock
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To: .38sw
When it comes out that not only did he shoot the kid, but that it was a compass in the kids hand and not a tec-9 like he thought it's gonna be real embarrassing.
183 posted on 02/06/2002 1:24:34 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: DETAILER
No - you can't see the "Hammer" but you can tell if the Glock is 'cocked'. Anyone who has been around them much knows this - the trigger is noticeably different when the weapon is cocked.

Not that this should be used to identify a "loaded" weapon because - as many have stated - all Weapons are loaded - unless dismantled. But, this can be useful information when confronted with a Glock... Just be DAMN sure you know what you're looking for.
Admittedly, it takes a relatively high level of knowledge/experience to identify this.

- for what it's worth... There are also some "strategic" moves to temporarily 'disable' the weapon - but that's a whole different topic - and is an "extreme measure".

Glocks are excellent weapons and very reliable. It's concerning to me, that some people here are trying to take blame off the officer and put it on the weapon....

184 posted on 02/06/2002 1:24:41 PM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: inflorida
Barney give me the bullets. aah...Andy
185 posted on 02/06/2002 1:25:32 PM PST by demlosers
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To: harpseal
DO you mean the Hostage Rescue Team???
186 posted on 02/06/2002 1:25:39 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Mo1
We were right. It was a "Show and Tell". Ah, the power of putting minds together here at FR. :)

Child wounded by officer's gunshot in show-and-tell

"A 10-year-old boy was grazed in the head by a bullet during a show-and-tell presentation by an off-duty police officer at a Germantown charter school today.

The boy, identified as James Reeves, was in good condition this afternoon, after being rushed to Temple University Hospital from the Imani Education Circle School in the 5600 block of Greene Street in Germantown.

Authorities said he received a graze wound to his right cheek about 2:45 p.m.

Philadelphia Police Lt. Sue Slawson said the incident remained under investigation. The officer, Vanessa Carter-Morange, was off-duty and participating in a show-and-tell presentation at the school where her son is enrolled.

Police said the gun apparently discharged when the officer dropped it in the classroom.

Carter-Morange, 39, has been with the police department since 1996 and is currently assigned to the Ninth District. Slawson said the officer will be removed from the street while a routine internal affairs investigation is conducted."

187 posted on 02/06/2002 1:26:02 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
the gun of an off-duty police officer accidentally discharged Wednesday afternoon

Well I hope they give that weapon the spanking it deserves.

188 posted on 02/06/2002 1:29:19 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: phasma proeliator
It's concerning to me, that some people here are trying to take blame off the officer and put it on the weapon....

Exactly right ... taking the blame away from the individual and placing it on the weapon is what the gun-grabbers do ... guns do not do anything on their own ... it takes an idiot to make them do something stupid ...

189 posted on 02/06/2002 1:29:23 PM PST by spodefly
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To: harpseal
I heard of HRT's. Hostage Response Teams. They even had that on their jackets. Special weapons teams may be a separate group. I'll do some more research.
190 posted on 02/06/2002 1:29:51 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: gridlock
The problem comes when the gun is not properly handled and all the safety rules are not followed.

Exactly right.

Glocks are not for the unenlightend. The key difference is hey're prone to negligent discharge as opposed to accidental discharge

Glad you cleared that up and forgive my rants.

191 posted on 02/06/2002 1:30:17 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: ibbryn
and a heavy trigger pull is not safer. Its just more inaccurate. You want a nice light trigger pull (and the 4 rules of gun safety)
192 posted on 02/06/2002 1:30:25 PM PST by ibbryn
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To: harpseal
Perhaps HRST (Hostage Rescue and Special Tactics), I'm not really sure.
193 posted on 02/06/2002 1:30:54 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: Down South
I'm no gun expert, but why is a Glock that bad? Are they more likely to go off accidentally?

No. They have no external safety, which makes some people squeamish ;). I love my G17. 17+1 rounds of 9mm

194 posted on 02/06/2002 1:33:30 PM PST by cruiserman
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To: AUgrad
With a loaded weapon??!!!

ALL guns are loaded - always. Period. Rule Number One.

195 posted on 02/06/2002 1:35:38 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: inflorida
Any way you look at it, this is a sad, sad story.
196 posted on 02/06/2002 1:35:58 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: Shermy
Police said the gun apparently discharged when the officer dropped it in the classroom.

If this is true (big if) then I would be comfortable concluding that the gun was probably not a Glock and that this all would not have happened if it was.

But like I said, if this is true.

197 posted on 02/06/2002 1:35:59 PM PST by gridlock
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To: inflorida
And children this is how we do a no knock drug bust. BANG! I thought that kid in the front row was reaching for a gun.
199 posted on 02/06/2002 1:37:19 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: Mo1, Askel5, NewHorizon
A google search on "Gina McFadden" wiil turn up all kinds of articles on the incident, but I found this one CopCrimes.com to be a pretty interesting site. Here's their blurb:

Philadelphia - (11-21-01) The Associated Press reports Officers Gina McFadden and Dawn Norman have been charged with sending an obscenity-laced anthrax hoax from their patrol car computer to every police car and dispatch center within the city. Authorities claim part of the message read: "We don't care ... We can't stand America. We have anthrax in our car ..." The nine charges against each officer could carry as much as 46 years if convicted, including felony counts of criminal mischief and criminal conspiracy and misdemeanor counts of terroristic threats and making false reports.

None of the articles I've found had the transcript of the conversation. But Dom Giordano has insiders at the Roundhouse (Philly police HQ). The women cursed the flag, praised Islam, and cheered the WTC destruction. Nobody, I mean nobody came to the defense of these two turds. They are probably doing time right now.

200 posted on 02/06/2002 1:38:09 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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