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Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
PBS Nova ^ | February 5, 2002 | Peter Tyson

Posted on 02/05/2002 11:06:24 PM PST by quietolong

NOVA reveals startling new evidence that Soviet spies penetrated America's deepest secrets, including the Manhattan Project, in the 1940's. By cracking the code of Soviet diplomatic cables, the FBI was able to hunt down "atom spies" such as Klaus Fuchs and Julius Rosenberg. But the true "master spy," a physicist named Ted Hall, got away -- and his gripping story is presented for the first time by NOVA. Read Venona Intercepts By Peter Tyson

In 1995, the U.S. National Security Agency broke a half century of silence by releasing translations of Soviet cables decrypted back in the 1940s by the Venona Project. Venona was a top-secret U.S. effort to gather and decrypt messages sent in the 1940s by agents of what is now called the KGB and the GRU, the Soviet military intelligence agency. The cables revealed the identities of numerous Americans who were spies for the Soviet Union, including those chronicled in NOVA's "Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies."

The four Venona cables presented here provide striking evidence of the covert activities of several atomic-era spies, including Klaus Fuchs, Julius Rosenberg, and Theodore Alvin Hall. Through the cables and accompanying stories, peer through the keyhole into the secret lives of these and other agents, who gave away details of the atomic bomb and other highly sensitive technologies. Watch for code words such as "Enormous," which stood for the Manhattan Project, America's atomic-bomb program

Link to Nova web sight on this show


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: joemccarthy; mccarthy
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To: LarryLied
Btw...Izzy Stone was Eric's idol and mentor.

Interesting article,but the author is wrong in one premise. Being a Soviet communist spy does NOT mean you are not also a "Democrat to the bone".In fact,it could be considered to be additional evidence.

41 posted on 02/17/2002 6:31:32 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: quietolong
Our Freedom of speech is in Jeopardy !!

There are actually 2 petitions that I know of so far.. Please sign BOTH !!...

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42 posted on 02/17/2002 6:34:11 AM PST by davidosborne
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To: Twodees
Moynihan joined them, though.

Moynihan always talked one way,and voted the other. Notice how he was rabidly anti-Bubbette!,but endorsed her when she made her campaign official? Moynihan's "job" within the Dim party was to always appear as a "moderate leader" so people didn't flee the Dim Party in horror. In truth he was a bad as the rest of them. I'll always suspect he is also a old fairy.

43 posted on 02/17/2002 6:34:35 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: quietolong
Joe McCarthy was 100% correct. One of the best books I've ever read is Witness by Whittaker Chambers.
44 posted on 02/17/2002 6:37:14 AM PST by blam
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To: quietolong
JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!
He "smeared" people by pointing out that they were communists or actively supported communist causes. This posed problems for some. Unfortunately it didn't last long enough to pose problems for enough communists.
45 posted on 02/17/2002 6:41:35 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: lentulusgracchus
. It was common knowledge in the Air Force that Hopkins and Harry Dexter White had been solid red,

It was even common knowledge that Eleanor Roosevelt was a dedicated communist,but nobody really cared. She even went so far as to have several communists being investigated by Congress stay at the White House after they were supoened to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee. They would get up in the morning,eat breakfast at the WH,and then be driven to the hearings in the WH limo.When the hearings were over for the day,they all rode back to the WH for dinner and sleep. This went on for about 3 months. Eleanor often sat directly behind them to show her support,and there was even a photo that took up most of the front page of the Washington Post showing her sitting there.

So much for "America's Greatest Generation". What they cared about was a chicken in every pot,and to hell with freedom. How else could Roosevelt have kept getting elected?

46 posted on 02/17/2002 6:43:59 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: lentulusgracchus
BTW,nobody wants to talk about "how could the Soviets have exploded their own Atomic Bomb before the British did,when the British were sharing in our research?". Gee,I wonder why?
47 posted on 02/17/2002 6:45:11 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: jackbill
Let's see, Greenglass, Rosenberg, Oppenheimer, Stone, Alterman, etc., etc..

See a trend here?

They were all Jewish,as was Hall and all the people who were the intellectuals who originated communism. In fact,the left is mostly controlled by Jews to this very day.

48 posted on 02/17/2002 6:47:51 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
What is sickening is that few know about any of this. Hollywood still pretends traitors on Stalin's payroll were patriots sticking up for America and the Bill of Rights.
49 posted on 02/17/2002 7:43:56 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: sneakypete
Exactly. While conservatives were being sold the snow job that there were still a few conservative democrats among the Nor'east Irish Catholics in office, Patsy was crafting such legislation as his proposal to tax ammo 10,000%.

It was pretty much the same with Tip O'Neil. Same bill of goods sold about the supposed "oldtimey" democrats, same behind the scenes maneuvering.

50 posted on 02/17/2002 12:25:55 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
there's still lots of trees in DC for that 'strange fruit'!!
51 posted on 02/17/2002 12:30:23 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: jude24
"Dark Sun - The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb" By Richard Rhodes, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1995. ISBN 0-684-80400-X

Chapter 5 "Super Lend-Lease"
Pages 99-100 lists nuclear materials sent.
FYI - text is available in paperback edition.

52 posted on 02/17/2002 12:32:30 PM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin
Harry Hopkins was a socalal worker in NYC. Algers' wife was a socal worker in NYC. My father, dead for these 42 years, thought that Harry Hopkins was a spy. There is a link between the progressives in NY in the thirties and the spying, I have grafted it out but the nexus is a problem, somewhere in the 20's.
53 posted on 02/17/2002 12:45:26 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: rockfish59
Yes, and there are plenty of lamp posts too. What's lacking is will, or maybe a high enough level of resentment at having our liberties nullified.
54 posted on 02/17/2002 1:07:39 PM PST by Twodees
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To: sneakypete
how could the Soviets have exploded their own Atomic Bomb before the British did,when the British were sharing in our research?.

That’s a easy one. We took all there Uranium
This is also detailed in the book Dark Sun ( see reply 37 )

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55 posted on 02/17/2002 1:31:49 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Twodees
'triumph of the will'?
pffffft!
56 posted on 02/18/2002 11:44:40 AM PST by rockfish59
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To: jamaksin
Thanks for the references to Stinnett's and Wilford's books -- I wrote the titles down and added them to my "list".

British interference in U.S. policy is pretty well documented by now. The degree of alienation of the policy elites of the 1930's and 40's from the people whose proxy they supposedly held as a sacred trust -- it was the bedrock of the New Deal, still implicitly believed in by e.g. Doris Kearns Goodwin -- has yet to be fully documented beyond (self-interested) dispute.

To me, the American experience since FDR brought the Brain Trust to power and established the current policy-wonk technocratic "meritocracy" will bear in some important lessons for future American voters and politicians. To me, the apex and defining moment of that relationship between the policy elite and the People occurred in February 1968, when the Ten Wise Men, swallowing their earlier advice to Lyndon Johnson, told him the Vietnamese War was lost.....the first war America had ever lost, and it was their war ..... and simply got up and left the room, leaving President Johnson muttering to himself and an aide or two, "Somebody poisoned the well."

Exactly, Lyndon. That's exactly what happens when you trust other people who think they're smarter than you are.

57 posted on 02/18/2002 9:08:14 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: sneakypete
She even went so far as to have several communists being investigated by Congress stay at the White House...

My dad told me about that one, too. The Treasury people were going nuts -- they were responsible for the President's security.

58 posted on 02/18/2002 9:11:47 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: jackbill
Let's see, Greenglass, Rosenberg, Oppenheimer, Stone, Alterman, etc., etc..

See a trend here?

Yes, a lot of the New York "Progressives" referred to above were Jewish, as were the socialists who were hunted down by the Nazis in Vienna during the Anschluss, when Dollfuss was assassinated and scores of socialists were murdered. Harold A.R. "Kim" Philby was in Vienna then, and the experience was one of those that cemented his treason.

I've also read that secularized Jews tend to extrovert their morality, which propels them into reformist and utopian politics -- the Jewish socialists were a big chunk of the Left in prerevolutionary Russia, and Lenin had to drive them out of the "mass party" to consolidate his control.

Which is why you wont see Hasidim participating in the kind of activity we're talking about, and in fact conservative, observant Jews were never involved as far as I know.

59 posted on 02/18/2002 9:20:26 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
My dad told me about that one, too. The Treasury people were going nuts -- they were responsible for the President's security.

The story,as well as the front page photo from the Washington Post are on the internet. Eleanor had a communist boyfriend named "Joe" something that was most likely her "handler". At any rate,Hoover kept him under survelience,and even taped Joe and Eleanor bumpin' ugly in several hotel rooms. I had links to all this stuff bookmarked,but a virus got them.

60 posted on 02/18/2002 11:17:47 PM PST by sneakypete
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