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Low blows for higher education: Troubled by comments from Ithaca College faculty member
Ithaca Journal ^ | Tuesday, February 5, 2002 | By Brandon Crocker

Posted on 02/05/2002 4:22:55 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You don't have to travel all the way to the Pakistani frontier to find mobs of America-hating fanatics -- just visit your nearest American university.

From Harvard to Michigan to UC San Diego, editorial comment from our future "journalists" admonish us that the Sept. 11 attacks were "not unwarranted" given our "arrogance" in dealing with the rest of the world. Demonstrations by students and professors proclaim that patriotism equals hate and that a country as criminal as the United States got what it deserved.


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KEYWORDS: academialist; academicfreedom; barlas; crocker; ithacais; thecityofevil
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Over the Christmas holiday my father asked me to read an article in the alumni magazine of his alma mater, Ithaca College, that he found particularly offensive. In this case, professor of politics, Asma Barlas, proclaimed that people like Osama bin Laden, as well as all sorts of "moderates" hate America because America's foreign policy since World War II has been one that "seeks control over the entire world by any means necessary." **** Left-wing America-haters in our universities, or at least at Ithaca College, are apparently suffering from shell shock.

Ithaca is the City of Evil.

1 posted on 02/05/2002 4:22:55 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Under the Radar;GovernsLeastGovernsBest;Conservative Librarian;LibKill;bentfeather;gaspar...
City of Evil bump
2 posted on 02/05/2002 4:24:27 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I call the Hope Education Tax Credit the "Hope they go to college for two years and become liberals tax credit." I call the continuing education tax credit "We hope they continue in college and remain liberals tax credit". I refuse to give any money to my university alumni associations - and they are probably better than most. I resented using my money (student fees) to sponsor all the homosexual organizations (and this was the midwest 30 years ago).
3 posted on 02/05/2002 4:46:50 AM PST by mutchdutch
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
U of R and RIT don't spew THIS much hate (U of R was on the sweatshop kick a few years back...)

Upstate bump

4 posted on 02/05/2002 4:55:07 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Bump
5 posted on 02/05/2002 5:01:12 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Benson_Carter
That these left wing ideologues have not succeeded in gaining control over our children's minds at an early age is miraculous. Mao Tse-tung was convinced that the only way to change China was to use government dayschools to reach down and take control of a child's earliest education. Communism would follow from there.

The Democrats are determined to impose government pre-schooling as early as age four. Once that happens, liberal education (in the pre 1960 meaning) is doomed.

6 posted on 02/05/2002 5:07:10 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Benson_Carter
That these left wing ideologues have not succeeded in gaining control over our children's minds at an early age is miraculous. Mao Tse-tung was convinced that the only way to change China was to use government dayschools to reach down and take control of a child's earliest education. Communism would follow from there.

The Democrats are determined to impose government pre-schooling as early as age four. Once that happens, liberal education (in the pre 1960 meaning) is doomed.

7 posted on 02/05/2002 5:08:36 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Barlas convincingly asserts that the Qur'an affirms the complete equality of the sexes

From Barlas' book.

Barlas' home page.

8 posted on 02/05/2002 5:13:35 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Modern forms of terrorism were introduced into the Middle East in the 1940s by Jewish group...

Islam did not invent war; it merely teaches a specific approach to it. This approach forbids aggression, or attacking one’s enemies unawares...

jihad is not for extending territories, protecting political or economic interests, or killing one’s foes...

the Qur’an asks us to read it for its best meanings and it defines Islam as "sirat ul mustaqeem," the straight path, the middle path, the path of moderation, not excess.

Barlas' speech, post 9/11, here.

9 posted on 02/05/2002 5:19:22 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
It doesn't say much about IC's academic standards when, as noted in his home page, he is the Chair of his department while only being an ASSOCIATE professor.
10 posted on 02/05/2002 5:36:58 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Having spent twenty years in the Ithaca area, contending with the students of Ithaca College and Cornell U, I got to know many of those looney toons that were turned out there every year.

The best assessment I ever heard for those people was by an area scientist. He said, "These people are manipulators of words, with the agenda of manipulating minds, most have no conception of a real education"...

11 posted on 02/05/2002 5:37:39 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
City of evil bump
12 posted on 02/05/2002 6:19:51 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Behind Liberal Lines;Mudboy Slim;sultan88
"The visage of academia trying to excuse, or even to justify the unspeakably evil acts of Sept. 11 has given the American public reason to take a more serious view of what is going on in our universities."

Dear sweet Jesus; do ya think?

"Though language like this may be common in lecture halls, typically one doesn't find this sort of ugly rhetoric in a college alumni magazine. Such magazines, after all, are tools to keep alumni feeling good about their school in order to encourage donations."

Money doesn't mean anything to the devote Socialists running these organizations.
The exact same Socialists the professorate created?
Hellooo??

"These are the type of people that many college professors are dedicated to turning out of our universities -- people ignorant of their American heritage, yet hateful of it, and, as a result, open to the dictatorial and enslaving philosophies of communism and socialism."

Bingo.

...Ithaca may in fact be evil; however, someone named "Brandon Crocker" at the IJ sure has heard the alarm clock.

13 posted on 02/05/2002 6:31:26 AM PST by Landru
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My wife went to Ithaca for film school when we were dating, and I had a riot going up to visit her and being around all her nutty neo-socialist film school friends. They couldn't stand me, and I loved pushing their buttons. Every one of them was a spoiled, rich kid type who never worked in their life. And all the girls were big time man-hater feminists, even though they slept around.

My wife was pretty liberal then, she almost didn't have a choice, being fed that crap on a daily basis. My favorite memory of one of my visits was her taking me by a place called the "free speech rock." It was a big rock on campus where students lined up to make speeches espousing the causes of the day. The favorite topic that day was Rodney King and his assault and the oppression of inner city blacks. I watched one white trust fund kid after another walk up and bemoan the plight of black America and declare their solidarity with Mr. King, knowing that 90% of them had never lived around, worked with or gone to school with black people.

After a while, I got in line. Panicked, my wife (then girlfriend)asked me what I wanted to say on the Free Speech Rock. I told her I just wanted to tell the other side of the story, the truth about Rodney King, the fact that he wouldn't obey the officers, the drugs in his system, etc. Mortified, she begged me and begged me not to, saying that we would be attacked, that everyone would hate her and that she would risk being retaliated against by the school. I said, "Wait a minute, you said this was the Free Speech Rock."

She said, "Yeah, but not that kind of Free Speech."

Knowing that she was probably right about what would happen if I went through with it, I got out of the line. I still laugh thinking about the terror in her eyes at the thought of my free speech.

Ten years later, she's a stay at home mom and has dropped all or nearly all of the liberal crap from college. She is one of the few people I know who truly is an Independent. And I am much more of a libertarian that I was then, and now I'm pretty disturbed by the beatings administered to Rodney King and others. Funny how things change.

14 posted on 02/05/2002 6:37:52 AM PST by NCLou
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To: 1FellowFreeper
See#13; I forgot you!!

...if ya need a laugh; well, here it is.

15 posted on 02/05/2002 6:45:19 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
...Ithaca may in fact be evil; however, someone named "Brandon Crocker" at the IJ sure has heard the alarm clock.

Sorry. According to the part of the editorial I did not post, Crocker lives in San Diego, and is a "guest columnist."

Wait a few days and I am sure that I'll post all the inevitable replies from actual Ithacites calling crocker racist, sexist, homophobic, against academic freedom, etc.

16 posted on 02/05/2002 7:06:09 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: NCLou
now I'm pretty disturbed by the beatings administered to Rodney King and others.

Don't be. You can be libertarian and still realize that a guy hopped up on PCP who led the cops on a high speed chase and refused to surrender even after being hit by a stun gun, etc., was not the victim of a rights violation.

Rodney King is far from the poster boy for the Libertarian party.

17 posted on 02/05/2002 7:08:24 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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Unfortunately, this is exactly what one gets when the "counterculture" undergrad from the late '60s has become of tenured status.

Regardless of the Level of the educational institution, be it Preschool, Elementary, Middle, High School, or at the University, we have these leftist flacks who are totally untouchable, and who, also predictably, begin indoctrination from day 1 of a child's educational experience. It has taken a long time to get to this state, but unfortunately, it has arrived.

I can remember in the early 1970's, when I was trying to get this message across to anyone who would listen. I was just out of the military, a Vietnam Vet,trying to get through college myself without drawing fire ;-) and, at that time that fact just about ruined my credibility.

It didn't matter if you were a very right-wing conservative, everyone was trying to put as much distance between them and someone who had served "there" as possible. I was trying to explain to the then "Silent Majority" that these "counterculture" people were not just "Kids, they'll get over it", but were going to one day control the education system, and through it, the governmental process. Saying that back then was usually met with derision.

I just hope the people I tried to convince then, when something could have been done to stop the dominos from falling, are hanging their heads in shame realizing that the danger was real, imminent, and would in time become, like a juggernaut, unstoppable.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

18 posted on 02/05/2002 7:28:47 AM PST by gwmoore
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Don't get me wrong- I agree with what your saying.

I guess when I say I am disturbed by it, I don't mean the particular case, or the particular "victim" Rodney King, but more the issue itself. There was a time when my immediate reaction to anything of that nature was a knee-jerk "He had it coming." Rodney King may indeed have had it coming, and those officers may have been innocent of wrong doing (I do think their double jeopardy rights were clearly violated). But after so many instances of out-of-control local and federal law enforcement, my initial reation is to be disturbed by it.

I don't know all the statistics on it, but I am frustrated because I don't believe over-zealous law enforcement and/or brutality is strictly a black issue. I wish a conservative/libertarian official would take a good hard look at the issue and try to resolve it. If they could really do something about it, they would have a chance to really make a positive impact in the black community (something the Republicans claim they want to do), take an issue away from the Al Sharptons of the world, and strike a blow for individual rights. It would seem to be an issue tailor made for a libertarian-oriented Republican, but no one will touch it.

19 posted on 02/05/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by NCLou
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"Wait a few days and I am sure that I'll post all the inevitable replies from actual Ithacites calling crocker racist, sexist, homophobic, against academic freedom, etc."

Ah-ha; I see.
Wonder how this got past the Ithaca Journal's editor(s), eh?
In any event; this Crocker couldn't have found a better room to play to, then.
IF what you assert is true; &, I do elect to believe your take.
I mean; there're certainly other UW-Madisons & UIUCs & this sounds like just one more.

How about doing me small favor?
Please; ping me to whatever follow-up you might post.
Of special interest would be, "Letters To The Editor."
OK?

...thanks a million.

20 posted on 02/05/2002 9:10:20 AM PST by Landru
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