Posted on 02/04/2002 12:00:14 PM PST by ouroboros
Walter Block is a libertarian without guile, a theorist who refuses to confine his classical-liberal analysis to strictly economic questions. Liberty is liberty, he would argue, and value is value, whether we are deciding a question of zoning or a case of censorship. Honest man that he is, he opposes both zoning and censorship as acts of government infringement upon our liberties and as the forced substitution of other peoples values for our own. In a recent online editorial, Professor Block offers us a rigorously libertarian (to be accurate, we should say liberal) answer to the moral questions raised by stem-cell research.
Block is well known for defending the indefensible, and he takes the novel position that recycling fetal parts for research and medicine is morally acceptable, so long as the parents (i.e., those who supplied the genetic material) are unwilling to rear the child and there are no other takers for the fetus.
As a good libertarian, Block takes it as a given that we have no positive obligations to other people except not to harm them deliberately. Unborn babies, even from the point of fertilization, represent human life, but they are in the position of a wild cow that no one has homesteadedi.e., domesticated and claimed ownership of. Therefore, if the parents choose not to rear the child and offer it up for adoption but find no one willing to assume the burden, they have the right to kill itjust as they would have the right to kill a born child.
Blocks morally revolting conclusion is not the problem. Many libertarian arguments lead to repugnant conclusions about marriage, drug use, pornography, and common civility, and their conclusions do not always remain in the realm of speculative theory. It is what Block (and perhaps most libertarians) take for grantedthe underlying assumptionsthat are really horrifying. Let us begin with the obvious: the ease with which human beings are equated with animals, not to mention the unproved assumption that human relations can be reduced to homesteading. In fact, the entire concept of homesteading requires us to regard human social life as consisting of unrelated individuals who find themselves on a frontier where there are no kinfolk, no laws, no customsin other words, in a Lockean state of nature that has never existed.
Notice, too, the blithe indifference to facts of law in the treatment of his bovine metaphor. An animal coming out of nowhere is an uncommon experience, and childrenwhether the identity of mother and father is knownhave two parents. In fact, the proper point of comparison is with calves that belong to the people who own the cow and the bull. Such calves are not at all open to homesteading, which would amount to rus-tling. In Ireland, the broad application of such a principle started a war, when St. Columcille refused to surrender a copy he had made of a biblical manuscript. The high king declared the calf went with the cow, but neither the saint nor his powerful clan agreed, and when the carnage ended, the horrified Columcille went off to Iona to found a monastery and save civilization.
But the principles of law and the facts of history are of only the slightest interest to libertarian theoreticians such as Walter Block and Hans-Hermann Hoppe, who are both to be applauded for their candor and for the rigor with which they have applied libertarian principles beyond the point of common sense. Timid ideologues grow fainthearted as they approach the abyss, but purists keep on marching until they have revealed what lies at the end of the road. Just as the 19th-century classical liberals, in pursuing the principle of radical individualism, led Europe and America straight to socialism, they are now leading us down the road to Soylent Green.
Libertarian theory, as Ludwig von Mises insisted, was a morally neutral science. Certain courses of action might well be regarded as suicidal, but praxeology and economics do not tell a man whether he should preserve or abandon life. If some libertarians find the conclusions offensive, they might begin to reconsider the premises.
Most American conservatives (and many self-described libertarians) would say something like this: I agree with the libertarian analysis of money and banking and economic liberty, but on social, cultural, and moral questions, I defend traditional moral values. This was, more or less, what was meant by fusionism in those distant ages so long ago when there was a conservative movement whose chief theoretician was Frank Meyer at National Review. Quite apart from the obvious problem that fusionism simply did not work (there are scarcely any fusionists under 60 years old), it isor rather wasbased on a false distinction. As Walter Block and other true liberals are fully aware, libertarian economics is only an application of libertarian social and moral theory. Mises makes the point emphatically in the introduction to Human Action, a work which is widely regarded as the libertarian bible. Economics, says Mises, is the application to markets of praxeology, a science of human behavior, based on the subjective theory of value which converted the theory of market prices into a general theory of human choice.
If the general theory is false and evil, the economic version of it must behowever much we might want to believe otherwiseequally false and equally evil. Suppose we reached that conclusionwhat then? Would we all become socialists or national mercantilists or Green agrarians? That is, apparently, what libertarians want us to believe: Either sign on to their ideology or be declared an enemy of human freedom. Such a fate, however, is reserved only for people who cling to the slender reed of classical liberalism as the sole support of a free society. People loved liberty, even economic liberty, long before Adam Smith (much less Ludwig von Mises) ever propounded his fallacies. Our search is for truth, not for a comforting ideology, and the things we love that are real and trueour wives and children, the freedom to buy, sell, and compete in the marketplacecannot be defended with illusions.
Unfortunately, much of the liberals credo is summed up in the Guns n Roses album title, Use Your Illusion. Rather than taking up actual transactions between real human beings, liberals take their stand on abstract concepts like the Market, Freedom, and Value. Freedom to do what? we ask. Freedom to choose, answers Professor Friedman. Choose what? we persist, like rude children. Whatever you like, they answer (provided you do not harm anyone, thoughas we see in Professor Blocks casethey have a rather narrow construction of harm that can exclude the death of innocent people.) It comes down to a question of value, which (at least for adherents of the Austrian school) is entirely subjective. You like Greek vases; I like baseball cards. I would not give a nickel for your black-figure pot signed by Euphorion, and you would give less than that for an original Joe DiMaggio, unless it still had the bubble gum.
This theory of subjective valuation is, perhaps, the linchpin of the Austrian/libertarian approach, though not all liberals (particularly left-liberals such as John Rawls) have achieved the terrible simplicity of Ludwig von Mises, whose entire science of economics and praxeology is based on it. Ultimate ends are ultimately given, says Mises, they are purely subjective. Now, Mises might simply be uttering a fatuous tautology of the type, I want what I want what I want . . . , but since he is at pains to defend his position as a breakthrough in the history of thought, we have to assume that he thinks he is saying something important, not just about economics but about human nature.
The breakthrough seems to boil down to this: In assessing human behavior, we are not entitled to go beyond the fact of human actions, which are assumed always to be carried out rationally in the pursuit of what the individual wants. Some of what he wants and pursues might be self-destructive, but the notions of abnormality and perversity . . . have no place in economics. At first glance, this seems to be the typical sophomores reductionism that insists that man has no free will because there is a material cause for everything, to which the juniors usual response is to ask why materialist ideology is not subject to the same analysis. In the case of subjective valuation, the juniors might ask Mises why the theory of subjective valuation should not be viewed as merely a means for accomplishing Mises own desire for money or prestige.
Mises might answer by arguing (as he does in Human Action) that human rationality, the mental mechanisms by which we achieve our desires, has evolved through natural selection to conform to the nature of realityand that is the best answer a materialist can give. However, if Mises were really interested in human nature, as he says he is, it is strange that he gives no evidence of having studied history, biology, or anthropology. Even his psychology is of the crudest typehe quotes Locke as an authority.
The problem is that there are two Ludwig von Miseses: the Mises who claims to be offering a scientific account of human action (particularly in economic terms), and the Mises who fervently believes in the principles of 19th-century liberalismminimal government, human individualism, the elimination of such obstacles to individual fulfillment as the Church, aristocracy, traditions, etc., the right to do as one chooses, even if society or other people regard it as perverse. Amazingly, it turns out that Misesian methods of analysiswhich are purely rational, objective, and scientificconfirm the liberals value-free vision of society down to the last detail. His philosophy, in other words, is actually propaganda in the service of ideology.
Mises liberal bias is very clear whenever the subject of morals or religion comes up. Ethical doctrines . . . intent upon establishing scales of value . . . claim for themselves the vocation of telling right from wrong. People who believe in right and wrong are obviously fools. So are Christians whose economic ideals, he advises us, are similar to Marxs. As indifferent to moral theology as he is to history, Mises conflates the teachings of Pope Pius XI, a reactionary as hostile to socialism as he was to liberalism, with those of Archbishop William Temple, a modernist as well as a liberal-socialist Anglican.
What really mattered was Mises singleminded commitment to eliminate all objective judgments of value. This is the opposite of what all Christians and traditional conservatives believe, and it is by no means unfair to Mises to point out that his principles are entirely inconsistent with Christianity. When Russell Kirk complained that the Mt. Pèlerin Society, whose central figure was Mises student Friedrich Hayek, taught dogmatic liberalism and opposed Christianity, the best that its defenders (George Stigler among them) could do was to cite the presence of several Christians in the group. This is a little like defending the Nazis from the charge of antisemitism on the grounds that there were a few Jews in the party.
Like Marxists and Freudians, liberals have created a closed system in which every question is answered before it is asked. If all moral, social, aesthetic, and political questions can be reduced to what an individual happens to prefer, then there is no objective basis for truth, beauty, and right. I think we all know where this gets us, because we are living in the amoral world that liberals created. Rejecting the really valuable contributions made by liberal economists and political analysts, we have completely accepted their childish and dangerous philosophy. Far from representing an innovative principle subversive of the regime, Mises theory of subjective valuation is the highly respectable platitude on the lips of guidance counselors, therapists, and pornographers. It is the Playboy philosophy for college graduates.
It is not that there is no subjective aspect to value, but, if we step outside the hermetically sealed system, most of us acknowledge that much of what we valuefood, shelter, clothing, weapons, tools, good health and good looksare essential to survival and reproduction. Individuals who do not value food simply die and eliminate themselves from the discussion, and societies that fail to value weapons (or sex) quickly disappear. In crude termsI am scarcely a better philosopher than Misesvalue has what Darwinists would describe as an adaptive element.
Mises concedes this point only to trivialize it, but a student of human nature might construct a theory of valueand of moneyout of sociobiological research. What is money, after all, but a measure of value, and if there is an adaptive significance to value, why could money not be treated as marking increments of adaptive success? X amount of gold might be the equivalent of so many children (or percentages of children) begotten or, more precisely, the units of caloric energy expended on the mating process. In lower species (such as hummingbirds), there is research that shows a male bird has to invest so much caloric energy into acquiring the food it needs to survive. The surplus value (i.e., the excess of energy) can be converted to mating and territorial behavior. Although human beings are almost infinitely more complicated than birds, a similar calculus might be developed that would firmly set material human values in a biological framework that would fulfill the liberal dream of reducing human life to the dimensions of the mathematical sciences. It would also, unfortunately, explode all the human fantasies based on illusions like economic man and expose the hollow pretensions of such libertarian slogans as free markets/free minds.
A moderate liberal might retort: Very well, then, but even in the matter of food, clothing, and shelter, different people want different things. Of course they do, but how much of what they want is really based on individual preference? Hans drinks beer, and Pierre prefers wine: Is it an accident that the German is a beer-drinker, while the oenophile is French? Ah, says our moderate, but some Germans do drink wine. Yes, and many of them come from regions that historically produce good whites. If we take the case to the extreme, we shall have to concede that the tastes of the average American, for example, are nearly always determined by the general culture of America and by the regional or ethnic or religious subcultures to which he belongs. Only a few trivial pointsa fondness for pink shirts or skinny necktiescan be attributed to his individual eccentricities or peculiar experiences. For the most part, then, what Mises regards as judgments of subjective valuation are really an expression of either natural necessity or broader social values. The individuals subjective contribution would seem to be negligible. The necessary conclusion to this line of reasoning would be to recover, in all our social, political, and economic thinking, a healthy balance between the autonomy of individuals and the stability of the society that actually creates those individuals. The libertarian project of setting individuals free from the constraints of families and communities could then be seen for what it isas subversive of individual liberty itself as of society.
Liberals are fond of ridiculing the utopian projects of Marxists, who thought they could build a world without social classes, and of traditionalist conservatives, who are accused of yearning for the simplicity and community of a medieval social order. What they conveniently choose to ignore is the fact that the liberals had their chance. In the second half of the 19th century, liberalism was the dominant ideology of the West. Britain, the United States, Austria-Hungary (and, at times, even France and Germany) pursued the liberal agenda. They lowered tariffs, whittled away the privileges of the Church and the nobility, and gradually bled social institutions and moral traditions of their vitality. Britain undoubtedly prospered as a whole; the bourgeoisie became rich, and, for the most part, wages and working conditions for the lower classes improved.
Working men, nonetheless, were un-impressed. Torn up from their rural and regional roots, stripped of their allegiance to nobility and the Church, indoctrinated with the grim teachings of utilitarian and liberal philosophies that told them to look out for number one, the lower classes began turning to socialism before the end of the 19th century. Liberalism was dead in England before World War I and in America before 1932, and its doctrines were only to be revived, briefly and in adulterated form, in the years of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, who have both been followed by socialists and state capitalists. Nothing could be more utopian and more naive than to believe that the failed liberal experiments of the past will be tried again in the near future. If Mrs. Thatcher, who regarded Hayek as a prophet, could not make it work, no one can.
Neither Thatcher nor Reagan were liberal dogmatists; both had their conservative sides, and both were willing to maintain a high level of socialism in their countries. Mises apart, it is hard to find a pure liberal. The greatest critics of liberal dogma in the glory years of the Victorian Age were themselves disgruntled liberals like Sir Henry Maine and Fitzjames Stephen, and even such radical individualists as John Stuart Mill, Albert Jay Nock, and the great Murray Rothbard were intellectual or social elitists who had to compartmentalize their beliefs: here, a radical commitment to individual liberty; there, a set of convictions about good manners, classical education, and moral responsibility. The really thoroughgoing liberalssuch as William Godwin or Ayn Randwere disgusting and unreliable people.
Economic liberty and political liberty are part of the good life to which many of us aspire, but they are not universal givens or precious jewels picked up by the first men living in a state of nature. They are the hard-won cultural achievements of the Greek and Roman, English and American political thinkers who discovered and expounded them and of the soldier-farmers who defended them. In other societies, freedom is as little prized as the principles of logic, and in abandoning the Wests moral, social, and cultural traditions, liberals make it im- possible either to defend the liberties we have left or to recover those we have lost, and so long as conservatives attempt to base their defense of liberty on liberal grounds, they will continue to fail as miserably as they have failed over the past 50 years.
Mises most famous student came to understand part of the problem. Although he professed high moral standards, Friedrich Hayek had little problem, apparently, in dumping his wife of 23 years and abandoning his children. His Arkansas one-sided divorce (which was really an act of repudiation) drove Lionel Robbins, one of his closest friends and colleagues, to resign from the Mt. Pèlerin Society. In the years that followed his divorce, however, Hayek increasingly came to realize that economic liberty itself had to be rooted in some principle that lay beyond subjective value, and at the end of his lifeand against the wishes of some of his libertarian friends (so one of them told me)he published The Fatal Conceit, a book that permanently gives the lie to liberal amoralism. But even Hayeks search for the moral and cultural preconditions for economic liberty put the cart before the horse. The free market is not an end in itself but a partalbeit an important partof the good life. Trapped in the constrictive mind of Enlightenment rationalism, Hayek could not solve the problem he set for himself, but his thought represents a major step away from the nihilism of 19th-century liberalism and toward the sane grasp of reality held out by those who seek a truth that lies beyond the whims of fashion and the promptings of our glands.
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One popular notion of "government with consent of the governed" is a republican form of government similar to the one defined in the US Constitution. That is not the only form; the feudal suzerain to vassal relationship is also government with consent of the governed.
My point is that under the nominally republican political system as it currently is, it is virtually impossible to delineate what is and what isn't consented to in our overweening government. Since the country isn't in revolt while both major parties openly work for larger government, we have to conclude that the larger government is consented to. Thus the minarchist belief, that a single government with consent of the governed always delivers a minimal government, does not obtain in modern America (nor in Europe). The proponents of freedom should then abandon this notion, as I did, and either hold up the truly consentual system of anarchism, where protection of rights is contracted to private security firms, or the moralist government that instills virtue more or less by force.
A contractual relationship is what I don't believe in. I was trying to get at something, but you didn't head in the right direction, but I think I can recover it. You mentioned later that not overthrowing the government is seen as tacit consent. It's not, but there's no reason to bring in the idea of consent in the first place. If the government protects life, liberty, and property, it's a good government, and if not, it should be reformed or, failing that, overthrown; this is not because it does or doesn't have consent, but because either leaving it as it is or altering or abolishing it is the right thing to do.
Thus the minarchist belief, that a single government with consent of the governed always delivers a minimal government, does not obtain in modern America (nor in Europe).
That's not the minarchist belief. I don't believe it, and neither did John Locke, the founder of contractualist minarchism. If you have consent, and nothing more, there's nothing that can't be consented to. Locke's whole point was to limit consent. In his view, men in the state of nature have the right to punish others who are guilty of crimes, hence, that can be consented away, giving rise to the judicial authority of the state. They do not, however, have the right to kill themselves, hence the right to life cannot be consented away. It is inalienable.
I defer to your understanding of Locke; you've drawn a very clear distinction between government by consent and government that protects unalienable rights regardless of consent. I wish you were around when I tried to discuss social contract on my Lysander Spooner threads.
As to the consept itself, I believe it to be self-contradictory unless unaleanable rights are understood, as I understand them, as something that can be consented away. Your description already produced a government that would consider suicide illegitimate, -- hardly a government rooted in liberty. More relevant to the issue of good government is the unalienability of property rights. In that arena, trade by its very essence is about consenting rights away: I abandon my rights to a dollar, you abandon your rights to a hamburger. Thus if property rights can be consented away, then we have a foundation for a state that taxes you at 50% (or 99%) of your worth. If property rights cannot be consented away, we don't have property.
I believe that the proper philosophy of rights is to distinguish between rights that are granted by authority (e.g. a right of way across property or a right to vote) and rights that do not require authority (e.g right of self-defense, non-disruptive speech or property). The latter are natural or unalienable rights; but either can be contracted, i.e. consented, away. The government derives its legitimacy from the consent of the constituents to the future laws that the present lawmaking process will produce.
If you'll forgive my saying so, you've got it exactly wrong. An inalienable right is one that can't be consented away; that's the definition of "inalianable". Your understanding is the self-contradictory, you're saying that something can only be inalienable if it can be alienated. You may disagree that there are inalienable rights, but you can't take them to be alienable.
Your description already produced a government that would consider suicide illegitimate, -- hardly a government rooted in liberty.
It's not clear what Locke would've thought. His argument against suicide was the same as his argument against murder, that both you and others belong to God, and as such should live on the Earth as long as He pleases, with just punishment for crime the only reason a person could rightly kill someone. He cited the commandment to Noah after the flood, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed," to show that his one reason for killing someone was authorized by God, and therefore didn't contradict his argument from God's ownership. What I don't know is whether or not Locke regarded suicide as a crime in the Earthly sense.
Of course, my understanding doesn't contradict the dictionary meaning, since under my definition no one other than the right holder can contract it away. The essence of freedom is though that whatever is mine as a right I can do as I please with, includeing foreswear it. Would you comment on property rights and their unalienability?
Which is why Locke didn't build on freedom but on the absence of freedom, leading, ironically, to political freedom. He said you lack the right to do with your life as you please, and therefore that you cannot grant that right, which you don't have, to the government.
Would you comment on property rights and their unalienability?
Rights to a particular piece of property are alienable, but not the right to property itself, since it's inherent in humanity and is, as Locke put it, a kind of fence protecting life itself.
Let us now return to the issue of consent to government. You mentioned that the government has a just power to punish criminals because an individual has a right to punish criminals. I take it that you would agree to a broader statement:
The government has a just power to do on behalf of the individual whatever the individual has a right to do.How would you qualify the "right" in the above? Would you say that it has to be a natural right, but not necessarily an unalienable (in your narrow sense) right? I would think that you would; otherwise you need to explain to me why the ability to rescind the right has such a determinative logical connection to the just powers of government.
And now the critical question. When the government contemplates an action that would be rightful for an individual in the above sense, who is to decide whether or not to take that action, the individual or the government?
If you answer, "the individual", then you have described government by consent. That would be the ideal government that I recognize: the government would be allowed to act on its own in criminal law enforcement; would be asked to wait for a lawsuit in civil law enforcement; would be asked to do no enforcement of marital fidelity or rights to educate children, leaving that to the individual.
If you answer "the government" then you describe a system where the government picks and chooses which rights to enforce. It may for example, enforce rights of only particular class of individuals, stomp out adultery with vice squads, or allow crime to go unpunished for lack of resources.
It is amuzing that presently our government bears characteristics of both systems.
How would you qualify the "right" in the above? Would you say that it has to be a natural right, but not necessarily an unalienable (in your narrow sense) right? I would think that you would; otherwise you need to explain to me why the ability to rescind the right has such a determinative logical connection to the just powers of government.
I don't view it as a right. Like overthrowing a tyrannical government, punishing crimes is not so much a right that exists as an option as it is the right thing to do, a moral duty (in fact, overthrowing a tyranny is a subset of the larger duty). And I don't think it's alienated at all. Who would carry out a necessary revolution, if not ordinary citizens?
I think my way avoids your choice altogether. The government ought to punish crimes as best it can, and so should citizens. That may mean turning suspects over to the police, but then again, it may not. Neither are free to determine for themselves what constitutes a crime. Any violation of life, liberty, and property is a crime, including punishments inflicted for a fake "crime".
That is the second alternative: "the government picks and chooses which rights to enforce", - in other words, which rights violations should be treated criminally.
Why would I have to say on behalf on individuals?
You describe a system where the government just is, handed down from history, and acting not on citizens' behalf but because it chooses to, like a dragon in a castle. You then draw a distinction between good government and bad government, and you say that bad governments ought to be overturned. I assume they ought to be replaced with good, or better, governments. Two questions arise:
1. Is there an objective way to tell good government from bad government or is it something the citizenry determines implicitly as it goes through elections and revolutions?
2. How is the process of elections and revolutions, that reconstitutes the government, different from establishing a government with consent of the governed?
No it's not. All rights violations should be treated criminally. The government doesn't get to pick and choose, and neither does the majority or a king or some particular social class.
You describe a system where the government just is, handed down from history, and acting not on citizens' behalf but because it chooses to, like a dragon in a castle. You then draw a distinction between good government and bad government, and you say that bad governments ought to be overturned. I assume they ought to be replaced with good, or better, governments.
That's essentially right, but the government shouldn't act simply because it chooses to, but because it ought to. It's that fact, that they should act on right and not on mere will, that creates the distinction between better and worse governments.
1. Is there an objective way to tell good government from bad government or is it something the citizenry determines implicitly as it goes through elections and revolutions?
The objective way to determine whether it's a good government or not is whether it protect life, liberty, and property. The real difficulty is figuring out whether a bad government should be reformed or overthrown. It don't think a simple rule for that is possible.
2. How is the process of elections and revolutions, that reconstitutes the government, different from establishing a government with consent of the governed?
I suppose you could say the difference is theoretical, but the theories people act on do make a difference. If the important thing is getting the government the people want, they can replace a good government with a bad one. I don't believe that's legitimate. Instead, I believe that replacing a bad government with a good one should be seen as moving things as they are into alignment with things as they should be, not as moving things into alignment with someone's arbitrary will.
Show me.
Does what I want=what I should do?
That's a bold statement, A.J. What's the difference between minarchy and anarchy?
Right here he's shown the confusion. He's talking about moral values, but then starts talking about the Austrian school, which means ecomonomic subjective valuation. And in the next paragraph he says:
This theory of subjective valuation is, perhaps, the linchpin of the Austrian/libertarian approach, though not all liberals (particularly left-liberals such as John Rawls) have achieved the terrible simplicity of Ludwig von Mises, whose entire science of economics and praxeology is based on it. Ultimate ends are ultimately given, says Mises, they are purely subjective. Now, Mises might simply be uttering a fatuous tautology of the type, I want what I want what I want . . . , but since he is at pains to defend his position as a breakthrough in the history of thought, we have to assume that he thinks he is saying something important, not just about economics but about human nature.
This makes it clear that he was talking about the economic theory in the first paragraph, and thus that he think the subjective theory of value is the same thing as moral relativism, or at least implies it. If Fleming is right, that poses a very serious problem for those of us who aren't moral relativists: the subjective theory of value is true. If the two are the same, we lose. You can't go arguing that moral relativism is wrong and that therefore the subjective theory of value just has to be wrong. That's like arguing from a moral position to the world being flat. It doesn't work like that.
Fortunately for us, they aren't the same.
You seem to be assuming that no social contract means no government. I don't agree with that. See #s 63, 69, and 71.
In fact, it seems to me that basing your government on any meaningful form of consent leads in a straight line to anarchy. I haven't seen an adequate reply to the anarcho-capitalist critique of tacit consent. Even if you go live in the woods, civil society will come after you for endangering a species. Locke's majoritarianism presupposes everyone agrees to be in civil society in the first place. If I don't agree, why should I be concluded by the majority of that civil society I never joined any more than I would be concluded by the majority of Frenchmen? If membership in civil society really does depend on consent in any meaningful way (not, that is, once in always in, and being born is considered tacit consent to enter), then any one person or group of persons can unconsent at any time, and what that leads to is Rothbardian secession: states have the right to secede, and if states have that right, so do counties, and cities, and neighborhoods, and blocks, and individual residents.
But seriously, this requires too much brainpower to answer now...will have to wait until after midterms for attention, or neuro grade will suffer dramatically.
I doubt that you really mean it. Should an unfinished repairs job be treated criminally? Should adultery be treated criminally?
moving things as they are into alignment with things as they should be
What is the objective criterion of what is and what isn't proper government? You say it's government limited to protection of life and property but that is open to interpretation. Who does the interpreting?
My impression is that you pick a rather arbitrary point on the scale and then you want to enforce that rigidly, in order to avoid any expression of popular will. Even assuming an objective interpretation of "life and property" exists, the point is arbbitrary. On one end, why should the government do even that? Most people can protect their own life and property just fine without any government; those who can't can hire a professional. On the other end, why can't citizens set up other government functions if they want to? For example, imagine that Social Security and public education were set up based on voluntary participation. I think that would be OK (even if the participants ended up with less value for their dollar due to the government's inherent inefficiency). But you would prevent the citizens from setting such wholly voluntary system up simply because that ought not be.
By "criminally", I don't mean jail, I mean that it should be dealt with by some sort of punishment. If a repairman violates a contract, he ought to have to pay restitution to the person he ripped off.
In the case of adultery, there shouldn't be any such thing as no fault divorce. The wronged party should be able to sue for divorce. I also don't think there should be state issued marriage licences, which I suppose complicates suits for divorce, but not too much. Things like having had a religious marriage ceremony, being generally reputed to be husband and wife, living together, ect, could be taken into consideration. This isn't something altogether outside common law experience.
What is the objective criterion of what is and what isn't proper government? You say it's government limited to protection of life and property but that is open to interpretation. Who does the interpreting?
No more than anything's open to interpretation. Who does the interpretation of when a government has the consent of the people? In practice, almost always the government itself. In extreme situations, the people themselves rise up to contradict the government's interpretation. I suppose it won't be any difference, except for this: instead of interpreting someone's (or, worse, their own) arbitrary will, they'll be trying to determine what is right by standards that exist outside of themselves, apart from anyone's tastes and interests. Will their tastes and interests distort their view? Well, these are humans, so the answer is yes. But at least they'll be aiming at something higher than those same tastes and interests.
My impression is that you pick a rather arbitrary point on the scale and then you want to enforce that rigidly, in order to avoid any expression of popular will. Even assuming an objective interpretation of "life and property" exists, the point is arbbitrary.
I don't think it's arbitrary at all. It seems almost self-evident that everyone ought to do his part to protect life, liberty, and property.
On one end, why should the government do even that? Most people can protect their own life and property just fine without any government; those who can't can hire a professional.
I don't think that would work, or at least, not here.
On the other end, why can't citizens set up other government functions if they want to? For example, imagine that Social Security and public education were set up based on voluntary participation. I think that would be OK (even if the participants ended up with less value for their dollar due to the government's inherent inefficiency). But you would prevent the citizens from setting such wholly voluntary system up simply because that ought not be.
I wouldn't have a problem with that kind of thing, as long as it really is voluntary.
How about this. Some citizens unanimously decide to withdraw from the rights-protection apparatus of the state. Let's assume that it can be done equitably, without freeloading on services rendered to others. For example, they all live on an island and decline paying taxes to support law enforcement on the mainland. Do you see a problem with that?
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