Posted on 01/30/2002 12:13:41 AM PST by kattracks
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:03:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
January 30, 2002 -- The teen mugger who was shot two weeks ago by a food deliveryman he was trying to rob in East Harlem died last night at New York Hospital, officials said. Adrian Santiago, 16, never regained consciousness after he was shot in the hip during the botched Jan. 17 robbery of Hong Dong Xie, 28, who had just made a delivery at a building on East 108th Street. Hong still faces gun-possession charges. The shooting is being reviewed by a grand jury.
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Under a government that recognizes the right to defend one's life and property, I would agree with you.
However, under a tyrannical, illegal, and illegitimate regime, I would disagree. If the government is not going to recognize a man's basic right to self defense, they certainly aren't going to cut him any slack for "playing nice".
Honesty is far too valuable to be wasted on one's enemy; and any government which denies a man the right to self-defense is just as much the "enemy" as those who intended to harm him in the first place.
Good point. That is certainly one consideration for the 'good guy' to take into account.
On the other hand, the "enforcers" of tyrannical regimes are generally more incompetent, more lazy, and more stupid than the average 'good guy'. That is also something to take into account.
The decision for the "good guy" in this story should boil down to what is "best for him", given the totality of the circumstances. He is under no moral or legal (at least under the Supreme Laws) obligation to assist (in any way) a tyrannical regime with his persecution.
You forgot about the wounded guy lying on the pavement. Are you going to say that he was under no moral obligation to at least call for help? What would happen if this guy regained his senses long enough to describe you in a unprovoked attack after he dumps his weapon in the nearest sewer?
If you want to fight this so-called "tyrannical regime", why don't you help this guy get his gun charges before the Supreme Court. It's about time.
Why? So the state can arrest him on bogas charges, and the mugger sue him?
Yes. Given those possibilities, I'll say that he was under no moral obligation to at least call for help.
If you want to fight this so-called "tyrannical regime", why don't you help this guy get his gun charges before the Supreme Court. It's about time.
Because his Rights (nor mine nor anyone else's) do not come from the Supreme Court. They are unalienable, and no earthly power has the right to infringe upon them.
I really don't feel like wasting my time trying to get a political body to affirm that fact. It would be about as effective as talking to a brick wall.
Shock could have weakened his system.
I'd be willing to bet the farm that the shootee was black. The shooter is obviously Asian. Since any NYC jury is bound to have a lot of blacks on it and blacks generally don't like Asians,he IS going to jail.
If you were this deliveryman and you left, you would have been caught. You would still be facing the gun charges plus the possibility of being tried for a homicide. That's when you can tell the jury how many rights you have.
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not interested in arguing hypotheticals anymore (which is all this is, since I wouldn't be caught dead in NY or anyother cesspool of liberalism).
The relevant question here is whether or not a Free Man (who by definition has the unalienable Right to self-defense) should submit to, cooperate with, obey, or assist any authority which does not recognize that basic Right.
The jail time Goetz did was not for shooting the scumbags, but for a firearms charge. As I recall he was acquitted on everything but, although the NC government charged him with a load of charges hoping that at least one would stick. This is the same thing that the tyranny of NY is going to try and screw Hong with. This is one jury I'd like to be on.
No, the question here is whether a person should take responsibilty for their actions. A responsible person would report it and seek medical assistance for the wounded. You won't find any firearms or legal authority who will tell you anything different.
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