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To: mvpel
Oh, since almost 100 years. You do NOT have a guarenteed RIGHT to a driver's liscence.
57 posted on 01/29/2002 11:54:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
GOOD POINT -- it is NOT a "right."
59 posted on 01/29/2002 11:55:18 PM PST by summer
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To: nopardons
Oh, since almost 100 years. You do NOT have a guarenteed RIGHT to a driver's license.

But what about the right to make a right on red? < /sarcasm > (always seen when someone makes a right on red into oncoming traffic, they don't need to stop, why should they, it's their "right" to turn on red...)

134 posted on 01/30/2002 1:46:02 AM PST by weegee
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To: nopardons
Are you a really a ‘DRIVER’?
According to Black’s Law Dictionary, a ‘Driver’ is one who is engages in commerce on the highways. Are you planning on transporting cargo or passengers on the Highway and make a living from that? Then under the Law, you are a ‘Driver’.
There is another way, legally, to be a ‘Driver’. Agree to a different definition. When you ‘Submit’ your ‘Application’ you are agreeing to the definition of ‘Driver’ found in the Motor Vehicle Act. It is radically different from the one in Black’s and has been expanded to include that which was before merely a ‘Traveler’. They have left out the commercial facet of ‘Driver’ thereby removing the distinction between the two.
Guess what? According to them, you knew you were doing this and you BEGGED them for this new expanded, freedom-killing definition. The word ‘Application’ on the document with your signature is all they need to show. ‘Application’ means to BEG. People who BEG are assumed by the courts to know exactly what they are getting and what they are giving up for it.

If you knew what the words ‘Registration’, ‘Application’ and ‘Submission’ REALLY meant, every time you put your signature to documents with those words, you would feel violated.
Just what Is a ‘MOTOR VEHICLE’?
Here it gets a little tricky. Put on your thinking caps. The Motor Vehicle Act defines a Motor Vehicle. Again, if you have ‘Submitted’ an ‘Application’, you have agreed to this definition. They word it however so that it becomes a hook. When you read it without knowledge and logic, it is easy to assume it means something it does not.
From the Act:
"motor vehicle" means a vehicle, not run on rails, that is designed to be self propelled or propelled by electric power obtained from overhead trolley wires;
Read that carefully. Know what it definitely doesn’t say? It doesn’t say: a vehicle, not run on rails, that is designed to be self propelled or propelled by electric power obtained from overhead trolley wires means "motor vehicle";
Yet, when you purchase an automobile, you read their definition of ‘Motor Vehicle’ and assume it means the opposite of what it is saying. They will even point this section out in court and if you accept it, it stands. The judge might know what I am about to show you, but if you don’t raise it, no one will.
Just because “All A’s are B’s” doesn’t mean, “All B’s are A’s”. Look at this diagram. (not shown sorry Imagine one box inside another, label the smaller one 'A', the larger one 'B') It’s easy to see the statement “All ‘A’s are ‘B’s” is clearly true. The reverse however, is clearly not true. Their definitions in their Acts are not clear and complete. Not only that, but sometimes they mean something which is totally incongruous with reality.
Look at their definition of ‘accident’.
"accident" includes an intentional collision;
Not only is the definition neither full nor complete, it is drastically expanded to include that which is opposite of ‘accident’. They cannot claim that one definition is full and complete when others clearly are not. Either they all are, or none are. This is also a perfect example of how they change definitions.

Now if the definitions are neither full nor complete, then there are other attributes, which further define a ‘Motor Vehicle’. Want to guess what it is? What if it was YOU SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION, which created the necessary other attributes, which led to the status of ‘Motor Vehicle’ being conferred? You BEGGED them to consider your property to be a ‘Motor Vehicle’. And you know what they get you to do then? You will have to send them THE Manufacturers Certificate Of Origin. Guess what you need to prove ownership of your private property? You need the Bill of Sale and the MCO. What do you have after ‘Registration’? You get a ‘Certificate of Ownership’ and you keep the Bill of Sale. They have the MCO.

Your ‘Certificate of Ownership’ certifies that BOTH of you own that property. You do see their name on it, don’t you? And they have the MCO, which you BEGGED them to accept. Under the Law, they now have the Right to decide who can ‘Drive’ that ‘Motor Vehicle’ and how. After all, it’s partly theirs because you begged them to accept it.
Registration
From the Act:
Registration and license
3 (1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the owner of a motor vehicle or trailer must, before it is used or operated on a highway,
(a) register the motor vehicle or trailer with the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia,

This part, along with how they word the definition, finishes how they hook you. They use the word ‘must’. Better sit down for this. MUST MEANS MAY! It is an invitation and is not used in the imperative sense. It is a directive. It creates NO obligation on your part; it does however create one on theirs. Before they can claim that something is a ‘Motor Vehicle’, the owner must register. That is the missing attribute, which defines a Motor Vehicle. The owner MUST engage in a voluntary act of ‘Application’ and ‘Submission’. Once that has been achieved, the claim of Motor Vehicle Status can be lawfully made.

All the power ICBC has over you is a direct result of your voluntary actions. Before you sought your Driver’s License, did you ask them about your ‘Common Law Right to Travel’? Why not and whose fault is that? It’s not too late. Ask them now. Ask yourself, ‘If what they are doing is so good, why do they use so much deception to get you to buy it?

From the Book: ‘Registration, Application & Submission means Drop’em, Bend Over a Don’t Expect Lube; How the government REALLY gains Power.' By Robert Arthur

Although this is written about British Columbia, I am willing to bet the same deception is used just about every where. Anyone here think the goobermint doesn't use deception? Anyone?

Peace, eh?

189 posted on 01/30/2002 4:01:19 AM PST by MrMiteE
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