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To: Dukie
"Will you express similar sentiments when IDs with biometric data or perhaps DNA samples become the next mndate for the sake of 'security'."

One sign of maturity is the ability to set reasonable boundaries, and think in other than completely black and white terms.

I see nothing wrong with biometrics such as thumbprints or retinal scans for drivers licenses. I'd draw the line there, because that's entirely sufficient for the DL requirements, i.e., verifying that the bearer is in fact the licensee. DNA profiles on the other hand are way over the top, akin perhaps to instituting the death penalty for jaywalking, cooking chicken wings with a blast furnace, and killing mosquitoes with H-bombs.

When we demand an all-or-nothing response, we're apt to get nothing. IOW, if we insist that no readily defeated ID method be included in a DL, the only thing we accomplish is to discount ourselves out of the equation. Thus, those who want to go to the extreme in the other direction will get what they want without "objection". Say goodbye to thumbprint, say hello to encoded inner-cheek swab DNA sequence.

332 posted on 01/30/2002 12:02:16 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Good morning, DJ and regrets for a late reply !

One sign of maturity is the ability to set reasonable boundaries...

Gee, I'm feeling good this morning, so I'll assume that you did not intend the condescending and patronizing tone of that first sentence. IMHO, your use of the word "maturity" undercuts your argument, since some here are probably so mature as to remember the broken promise in the words: Not for Identification Purposes on the bottom of a card that we all now carry for that exact purpose.

I see nothing wrong with biometrics such as thumbprints or retinal scans for drivers licenses

Now, see. This started with a photo and you're already to concede retinal scans and fingerprints. What if, as is likely, these too prove to be forgable ? Concession of a principle tends to beget further surrenders.

When we demand an all-or-nothing response, we're apt to get nothing.

A true statement in most uncoerced negotiations. However when the demand is to the state and the wish is for increased security, you can be certain that it will be granted with ever more chains and shackles.

500 posted on 01/31/2002 5:03:09 AM PST by Dukie
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