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Cairo Now Favors US-Backed Large-Scale Israel Offensive Against Palestinians [debka]
Debka ^ | 1/29/02

Posted on 01/29/2002 11:17:27 AM PST by monkeyshine

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1 posted on 01/29/2002 11:17:29 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Exclusive Analysis

Methinks it will remain an “exclusive” to Debka for a long, long time.

2 posted on 01/29/2002 11:21:09 AM PST by dead
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To: veronica;lent;dennisw;sabramerican;modern orthodox;college repub, benf, hsszionist; is_is...
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3 posted on 01/29/2002 11:23:14 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Wishful thinking?
4 posted on 01/29/2002 11:26:51 AM PST by Lent
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To: monkeyshine
basically it means Mubarak is going to do nothing - which is what he'd been doing for years now.
6 posted on 01/29/2002 11:29:00 AM PST by modern_orthodox
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To: virgil123; dead
Saudi Intervention on Arafat’s Behalf Special Report

27 January: Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah and intelligence director Prince Nawwaf are trying to extricate Yasser Arafat from Israeli confinement in Ramallah. The Saudi Press Agency quotes the crown prince as remarking: “Imprisoning a leader is a very strange situation.” As to President Bush’s harsh criticism of the beleaguered Palestinian leader, Abdullah advised the US President ominously “to pursue the interests of America and this would be sufficient for us.”

DEBKAfile’s political analysts note that, given the unhappy state of US-Saudi relations since September 11, Saudi intervention on Arafat’s behalf has a very slim chance of softening the Bush administration’s determination to punish him.

Bush’s punitive actions are addressed not only to the Palestinian leader but also to Riyadh. In its latest issue (January 25) DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sourcesreveal for the first time that, in early December 2001, when America was deeply preoccupied in the Afghan War, Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia’s de facto monarch, quietly negotiated secret mutual defense and trade agreements with the anti-American regimes of Iran and Iraq. Those pacts gave birth to a new Riyadh-Baghdad-Tehran bloc for the Gulf and Middle East regions. Abdullah believed this reorientation reflected the aspirations common to many younger members of the royal family, some of his army chiefs, a majority of tribal leaders and almost the entire religious establishment. The view they hold in common is that the time has come, after half a century of close inter-dependence, for Saudi Arabia and the United States to go their separate ways. Abdullah’s takes this further, holding that the time has come for Riyadh – not Washington – to be the number one power in the Middle East-Gulf region.

Aware that a reconciliation process was underway, the United States was yet taken aback by the speed at which the three heads of state, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, found mutual understanding.

The trio also agreed to invite Syrian president Bashar Assad to join the new alliance and incorporate the secret Iraqi-Syrian cooperation agreements signed last year in the new mutual defense documents.

The new allies, to spread the spirit of détente, are implementing their understandings in rapid steps, the three capitals synchronizing their policy-making with regard to Afghanistan, al Qaeda, the Palestinian issue, Syria and Lebanon and their oil strategies.

These developments, as outlined by DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources, go a long way towards explaining Saudi Arabia’s apparently aberrant policies. Most Saudi experts find it hard to credit that Riyadh is fast approaching a formal demand for the withdrawal of American forces from the oil kingdom. The Saudi authorities are laying out a welcome mat for al Qaeda fighters returning from Afghanistan, and earmarked Saudi funds to pay for the flow of smuggled weapons from Iran to the Middle East, as discovered when Israel intercepted the Karine-A arms ship on January 3. (On January 18, DEBKA-Net-Weekly revealed that Saudi Arabia had paid for the Karine-A arms cargo ordered from Iran by Arafat.)

Sunday, January 27, the Israeli prime minister’s office announced that Arafat would not be allowed to travel to the European Union’s foreign ministers meeting in Brussels, “until he lives up to his commitments”.

7 posted on 01/29/2002 11:32:22 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Before everyone rejects it out of hand because it's from debka, they should take a look at Egypt's history and the results it has suffered from aligning itself with the more-radical factions of Islam.

Personally, I'd give the abandonment of the "Islamist alliance" a 60% chance of being true, while the support for the offensive against the PLO at 25%.

8 posted on 01/29/2002 11:33:13 AM PST by steveegg
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To: monkeyshine
Alternate thread here:
Egypt Opts for US-Israel-Jordan Bloc Against Arafat Amid Israeli Preparations for Major Offensive
9 posted on 01/29/2002 11:33:31 AM PST by jae471
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To: modern_orthodox
Well Egypt really has little to fear and lose. However, Egypt has a lot to gain.
10 posted on 01/29/2002 11:35:53 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
I dunno about that. Sadat lost his life by cooperating openly with america and israel.
11 posted on 01/29/2002 11:37:04 AM PST by modern_orthodox
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To: jae471
Thanks. Do you have a link for the post you put on that thread?
12 posted on 01/29/2002 11:37:21 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: modern_orthodox
That was then, this is now. Then, Egypt was coming off of it's pan-arabist nationalism (even though Egypt isn't Arab). They have had normalized relations for years. Egypt has it's problems with fundamentalists, but the regime is very repressive and hard on them. Mubarak has cleverly allowed this Islamism to vent against the Coptics to relieve pressure.

If Arafat has been planning to destabilize Egypt, in conjunction with his old friend Saddam Hussein (they both were mentored by Arafat's uncle Mufti Hajj Al-Husseini), you can count on Mubarak to exact some revenge.

What is strange is the Iraq-Saudi alliance.

13 posted on 01/29/2002 11:42:40 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: steveegg
I would have to agree with you. Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey are the only countries in the region at peace with Israel.

Egypt also want us to sell them Harpoon-II missiles, which we've put on hold until things settle down.

King Abdullah said some discouraging words earlier, blaming Israel for the Palestinian problem. These words were probably for public consumption in the Arab world, though, since the Jordanian government unofficially views Palestinians as a pest, and Israel as the solution.

The question of broader concern is what happens when the dung finally hits the fan. Cairo and Amman don't want to fight Israel (They realize that doing so would be very bad if they want to trade with the US). Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iraq could care less what the US thinks, and take an oppurtunity to exterminate Israel if it comes.

14 posted on 01/29/2002 11:47:50 AM PST by jae471
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To: monkeyshine
the Iraq-Saudi thing is weird, especially since our troops are still there protecting the Saudis.
Mubarak has been hard on extremists (see the last election there when he used tanks to disperse an Islamicist demonstration), but overtly siding with Israel is still beyond anything he's ever done. For 20 years now he's done a good job being ambivalently cold towards Israel to keep the extremists that still do exist in his country quiet. It'd be really weird for him to suddendly stop, but then again, thats debka for you..
15 posted on 01/29/2002 11:47:53 AM PST by modern_orthodox
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To: monkeyshine
It was Reuters via Yahoo.

Egypt, Israel to Meet as Violence and Discord Grow

16 posted on 01/29/2002 11:51:07 AM PST by jae471
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To: monkeyshine
Alright, I haven't seen a debka thread in ages. These are fun threads.
17 posted on 01/29/2002 11:53:26 AM PST by discostu
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To: monkeyshine
Gee, I thought Mubarak would be dying to embrace the Palestinians and welcome them back home, especially ole Yassir.

MM

18 posted on 01/29/2002 11:54:49 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: modern_orthodox
I dunno about that. Sadat lost his life by cooperating openly with america and israel.

I'm sure Mubarak is well aware of that but I figure George W. explained the new facts of life to him. He could side with Arafat and knowingly or unknowingly support his terrrorist agenda, or back out of it and be on our side. He's also probably not all that fond of Iraq and Sodom Insaine and getting involved with that Saudi, Iran, Iraq triad will end up being a bad proposition.

I also figure George has known of this for some time, and is one of the reasons why he's been pushing for renewed energy production closer to home. Cause sooner or later the Middle East is going to explode and a lot of that oil will be a) unaccessable, b) in the hands of people (really) unfriendly to us and/or c) so expensive it will send our economy into the toilet.

Or d) All of the Above

19 posted on 01/29/2002 11:54:57 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Lent
You just hide and watch!
20 posted on 01/29/2002 11:57:06 AM PST by Wellwater
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