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To: tdadams;khepera;Dr. Good Will Hunting
You're incorrect to assume that any of us who disagree with you are homosexual militants. Speaking for myself, I am a libertarian who believes that America offers freedom and happiness for every citizen (not just heterosexual Christians), and the Constitution protects everyone equally. I defend my beliefs based on principle, not necessarily out of a vested interest.

Well then why haven't people simply stated their views and then moved on? I have been blasted from several sides for having a contrary opinion...so be it. As far as liberarians, I feel that they don't want control over anything at all (if it feels good do it) which cause anarchy (in my opinion). I have strong religious beliefs that I express freely, and all I am trying to do is keep this nation strong and more or less moral for our children. No where in the Constitution does it state that consenting adults are free to do whatever they please, and I think this omitted for a reason.

I am a christian, and I am human I get mad, I make mistakes. Unfortunately if it involves homosexuality then shame on me (not my opinion, but several others have expressed this opinion).

181 posted on 01/25/2002 9:18:53 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
No where in the Constitution does it state that consenting adults are free to do whatever they please, and I think this omitted for a reason.

You're making the same error that Antonius just made. The Constitution does not enumerate those things which we citizens are permitted to do. It merely places a restriction on what government cannot do. Otherwise, you may need the government's permission to go on vacation or buy a new car. The possibilities are limitless.

187 posted on 01/25/2002 10:01:25 AM PST by tdadams
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To: wwjdn
Society always has some constraints on conduct. The questions are: what constraints, on what kinds of conduct, and why?

Refusing to state-endorse perverts through marriage licenses is a good constraint, because it is a societal way of sayiing that sadomasochistic "alternative" lifestyles are destructive, and thus not something society wants to give credence too.

191 posted on 01/25/2002 10:25:56 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: wwjdn
I have been blasted from several sides for having a contrary opinion...so be it.

If you feel like you're being persecuted, I can't help that. Personally I see this as a lively and enlightening discussion.

For what it's worth, you may be surprised to know that my opinion is not as divergent from yours as you might think.

For instance, I do not support homosexuals marching through the streets wearing disgusting and revealing clothes, I do not support teaching aspects of homosexuality in schools, I support the right of the Boy Scouts to include or exclude whoever they want.

However, as a matter of principle, I support the right of peaceful and private people to be left alone, no matter who they are.

I don't think anyone should be arbitrarily fired for being gay. I don't think they should be denied hospital visitation. I don't think they should be denied the right of survivorship when they've been in a long term relationship. All of these things do happen. It's not just hypothetical. With every injustice committed against homosexuals, more and more public sympathy turns toward them.

I do not think it's wise for conservatives to advocate extreme prejudice and arbitrary discrimination against homosexuals. You may feel you're standing up for Christian values, but I see that you're only providing ammunition for those who are seeking to statutorily protect the rights of gays. Mistreatment of gays is counter-productive.

192 posted on 01/25/2002 10:27:10 AM PST by tdadams
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