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Homosexuality Is Key to Some College Scholarships
CNSNews.com ^ | January 21, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 01/23/2002 8:43:27 AM PST by tdadams

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To: tdadams;khepera;Dr. Good Will Hunting
You're incorrect to assume that any of us who disagree with you are homosexual militants. Speaking for myself, I am a libertarian who believes that America offers freedom and happiness for every citizen (not just heterosexual Christians), and the Constitution protects everyone equally. I defend my beliefs based on principle, not necessarily out of a vested interest.

Well then why haven't people simply stated their views and then moved on? I have been blasted from several sides for having a contrary opinion...so be it. As far as liberarians, I feel that they don't want control over anything at all (if it feels good do it) which cause anarchy (in my opinion). I have strong religious beliefs that I express freely, and all I am trying to do is keep this nation strong and more or less moral for our children. No where in the Constitution does it state that consenting adults are free to do whatever they please, and I think this omitted for a reason.

I am a christian, and I am human I get mad, I make mistakes. Unfortunately if it involves homosexuality then shame on me (not my opinion, but several others have expressed this opinion).

181 posted on 01/25/2002 9:18:53 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Antoninus
WHERE IS THE RIGHT TO SODOMY IN THE CONSTITUTION?

The Constitution does not enumerate those things that we, as citizens, are permitted to do. It is a restriction on what the federal government may do.

182 posted on 01/25/2002 9:52:16 AM PST by tdadams
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To: wwjdn
I was angry in my earlier post because of all the slamming I was getting by a very small minority of immoral people who want it their way only.

It's interesting that you'd state your case that way, because I've seen two arguments on this thread:

1. Let all people do what they want, so long as it doesn't violate anyone else's rights
2. Make homosexuality illegal.

Now tell me, who wants it their way only?

183 posted on 01/25/2002 9:54:42 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Antoninus
You people conveniently forget that the Federal Constitution preserves the rights of the individual states and the people to determine such issues for themselves. Thus, if a state decided to outlaw homosexual practices, like sodomy, that would be acceptable under the Constitution.

Likewise, if a state decided to recognize gay marriage, that would be acceptable under the Constitution as well.

As far as I know, no one on here is calling for a federal law to ban homosexuality.

No, but there is the so-called Defense of Marriage Act which seeks to deny gays an acknowledment of their marriage, should it become available, by circumventing the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution.

The best thing conservatives can do to defend marriage is to quit getting divorced!

184 posted on 01/25/2002 9:56:22 AM PST by tdadams
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To: Antoninus
What's your position on Proposition 22 in California?

I'm not a resident of California and am not familiar with that.

185 posted on 01/25/2002 9:58:27 AM PST by tdadams
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To: tdadams
This just serves to prove my idea that college is b.s. When I say that, people ask me what I mean. I tell them, look at the athletes. Total free ride b/c of who they are, while the rest of us slave away. Now another group gets a free ride b/c of who they are (queer). I've had to work for my college money as well as grades. This garbage makes me sick.
186 posted on 01/25/2002 10:00:21 AM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: wwjdn
No where in the Constitution does it state that consenting adults are free to do whatever they please, and I think this omitted for a reason.

You're making the same error that Antonius just made. The Constitution does not enumerate those things which we citizens are permitted to do. It merely places a restriction on what government cannot do. Otherwise, you may need the government's permission to go on vacation or buy a new car. The possibilities are limitless.

187 posted on 01/25/2002 10:01:25 AM PST by tdadams
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To: Future Snake Eater
I tell them, look at the athletes. Total free ride b/c of who they are, while the rest of us slave away.

With a comment like that, I'm betting you spent very little time with any college athletes. Try keeping an athlete's schedule for a week and you'd change your mind.

188 posted on 01/25/2002 10:03:57 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
1. Let all people do what they want, so long as it doesn't violate anyone else's rights

So who decides? Like I stated before if I can get someone to allow me to kill them then it doesn't violate anyone's rights (by your arguement). Kind of like Euthanasia (illegal) and Abortion (mostly legal). The issue is that it does cause harm, so it should be illegal (homosexual marriages are mostly illegal). Homosexuality is not a normal relationship, otherwise it would be accepted freely throughout the world and they would be able to reproduce.

189 posted on 01/25/2002 10:06:28 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
Like I stated before if I can get someone to allow me to kill them then it doesn't violate anyone's rights (by your arguement). Kind of like Euthanasia (illegal) and Abortion (mostly legal).

Attempting to equate taking the life of another with homosexuality is a faulty analogy, at best.

190 posted on 01/25/2002 10:14:43 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: wwjdn
Society always has some constraints on conduct. The questions are: what constraints, on what kinds of conduct, and why?

Refusing to state-endorse perverts through marriage licenses is a good constraint, because it is a societal way of sayiing that sadomasochistic "alternative" lifestyles are destructive, and thus not something society wants to give credence too.

191 posted on 01/25/2002 10:25:56 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: wwjdn
I have been blasted from several sides for having a contrary opinion...so be it.

If you feel like you're being persecuted, I can't help that. Personally I see this as a lively and enlightening discussion.

For what it's worth, you may be surprised to know that my opinion is not as divergent from yours as you might think.

For instance, I do not support homosexuals marching through the streets wearing disgusting and revealing clothes, I do not support teaching aspects of homosexuality in schools, I support the right of the Boy Scouts to include or exclude whoever they want.

However, as a matter of principle, I support the right of peaceful and private people to be left alone, no matter who they are.

I don't think anyone should be arbitrarily fired for being gay. I don't think they should be denied hospital visitation. I don't think they should be denied the right of survivorship when they've been in a long term relationship. All of these things do happen. It's not just hypothetical. With every injustice committed against homosexuals, more and more public sympathy turns toward them.

I do not think it's wise for conservatives to advocate extreme prejudice and arbitrary discrimination against homosexuals. You may feel you're standing up for Christian values, but I see that you're only providing ammunition for those who are seeking to statutorily protect the rights of gays. Mistreatment of gays is counter-productive.

192 posted on 01/25/2002 10:27:10 AM PST by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I think that part of the reason so many disagree with me is that there are existing laws in every State against homosexual acts. In the privacy of their own homes I have no desire to restrain them, but I don't want the laws to change. The right to survivorship is based on marriage, therefore happy people get it, but homosexuals don't.

I agree that we are mostly similar in beliefs, and I DON'T want a church run Govt. At times it does seem that way, but I don't. I just grow very weary of having to convince my kids that just because the homosexuals have taken control of the TV and the media doesn't make them a normal or majority of society.

Peace and God be with you.

193 posted on 01/25/2002 10:39:14 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Future Snake Eater
Now another group gets a free ride b/c of who they are (queer).

The scholarships are for $1500. Not exactly a free ride. That'll pay for some books, food, beer, and parking tickets. "Nickel and dime" scholarships in the $500-$1500 range are everywhere and anyone can get a few for writing some essays. Most large companies offer them for good PR and tax purposes.

That said, I would love nothing more than to see some "Heterosexual White American Male" scholarships, just to see the liberals have a fit.
194 posted on 01/25/2002 11:11:25 AM PST by mn12
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Society always has some constraints on conduct. The questions are: what constraints, on what kinds of conduct, and why?

The only constraint government may morally place upon individuals, is the prohibition of the violation of the rights of others.

195 posted on 01/25/2002 11:12:05 AM PST by OWK
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To: wwjdn
Nope, I just have better things to do than have my english critiqued.

You mean like have your "jail all the homos" position critiqued?

196 posted on 01/25/2002 11:15:51 AM PST by OWK
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To: wwjdn
...there are existing laws in every State against homosexual acts.

Every state?
197 posted on 01/25/2002 11:19:13 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: OWK
You mean like have your "jail all the homos" position critiqued?

I clarified this in a previous post, their activities are already illegal, I don't want that changed. I don't want them jailed, that was a mistake from a previous post (my sin shining through). What they do in the privacy is their business, though illegal, just like seatbelt laws.

198 posted on 01/25/2002 11:19:40 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: OWK
Those in the picture were merely the wrong type of Homo. The Nazi Party was filled with Homos and any persecution (which was very small in proportion to the total killed) was merely because of political differences.

The homocaust is an overly exaggerated falsehood. Though you probably know this since you are the owk.

199 posted on 01/25/2002 11:21:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: OWK
No I tire of arguing with fools who perverse our society in the name of freedom.

Perverse is an adjective, not a verb.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you don't work for/with any tech companies. That manner of speaking has gotten really popular for some reason. "Leverage" and "action" are their favorites. As in, "What needs to happen so we can action this?" Or.. "We need to leverage our forward-thinking paradigm to target our goals." And so forth. Screw diversity training, these people need 3rd-grade English!
200 posted on 01/25/2002 11:21:12 AM PST by mn12
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