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To: conservative cat
That's all true ---but what about the mother who stays at home to raise the children and it's by mutual agreement? I've seen all kinds of cases ---both sides so in some ways I think it's hard to make a system that is completely fair. I've known men whose wives wanted out of the marriage because they got bored and found another man, and still expected full custody and child support. I know some women just don't feel like ever working and figure if they manuever things right, they will never need to work. But there are women who give up careers thinking it's best for the kids and there should be some protection for them too, if they have to start a job for the first time when they are in their 40's or 50's.
41 posted on 01/20/2002 2:43:43 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Fitz, I think you have a more balanced view of this. Some of the posts from MEN here scare me half to death being a stay at home mother by MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

My mother was just such a woman as you mentioned. She wanted so desperately to keep her marriage together, but my father already had a woman waiting in the wings to marry and she exemplifies the woman you men are all scared of(the new wife--believe you me, if this one ends, she will take him to the bank despite her good income). My mother stayed home with us for quite a long time, worked at 6.00 an hour jobs part time to help put MY DAD through school, and then within months of his graduation, he left her. She got half of the bills my friends and 12 years later still does not have them all paid off. She was never able to go to school(makes just too much money for it and is inimidated by school loans because of the debt she has now). She didn't even drive until I was 18 years old and married when she was 18. She was old school and got burned big time. I know some of you have had schemers for ex-wives, but in your haste to make sure the witches you all knew don't get a dime of your income, you are not considering the truly virtuous women who got screwed when they trusted thier spouse to be faithful and loyal enough not to dump them when the children were nearly raised and thier education paid for.

One thing that is getting me irate here are these settlements by the courts. It seems that the manipulating women who want out and have good paying jobs get rewarded the most--you know the ones who basically used the husband as the sperm donor. And the women who get shafted are those left by the husband who they intended to be married to for life and at great personal sacrifice raised THIER children and in many cases supported thier spouses in such a way so they were freed from the household burdens to pursue a successful career. You are damn straight I think a woman who has mutually agreed to not pursue a career or end one, stays with a stiff for 25 years, and raises the kids should be assisted by her dh in some way when HE ends it. Let's face it, if we were to end support all together than we just make it easier for men to get out of relationships and leave good women who have cared for thier children and homes out in the cold. So all you do is turn the cards in the other direction. I think there probably needs to be some kind of balance and we need to get back to where the penalty falls on those who actually FILE for the divorce and we start looking at the REASONS for divorce again, along with the marital history(number of previous marriages, length of current marriage, etc). That seems like the most ethical way to deal with this since no fault divorce has been a disaster for both men and women save for the most manipulative of the bunch.

49 posted on 01/20/2002 3:36:08 PM PST by glory
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To: FITZ
Oh, I completely agree with you. I have seen it both ways. My friend is recently divorced and she quit work- at his urging- after they had their first child. He is very well off and paying her a fair amount of spousal support until their daughter is school age. I just think it would be a lot better if people took marriage and divorce a little bit more seriously. (Haha. Misplaced idealism.)
80 posted on 01/21/2002 9:40:00 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: FITZ; Nick Danger; Harrison Bergeron; IronJack
Here's something: society considers protecting the financial interests of women who gave up much of their career pursuits in order to parent; should not society protect the custody rights of men who gave up 9-5 parenting time in order to pursue a career that could support the family financially?
114 posted on 08/03/2002 1:47:32 PM PDT by DNA Rules
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