I thought that the sole purpose of the Messiah's arrival was to establish a new Israel. On the other hand, I believe that the messiah already came. And furthermore I conceded the point already as you should know if you actually read the exchange. This is what I was talking about when I asked you to be intellectually honest.
It's one thing to disagree on the theological niceties it's another thing to continue arguing along a line you can't even prove yourself. It was his assertion based on his blanket statements concerning the Torah. You couldn't back him up. Alouette posted a detailed rebuttal to his blanket assertion and yet there you were still parroting his view several posts down.
I ask you again though. Given his historical view. Do you consider his position in that respect dishonest or is he just a stupid man?
No, not the sole purpose at all. You may be suprised to find that there are some devout Jews (very few) who don't believe that a Messiah will come at all!
There are many diverse opinions about the coming of the Messiah, his purpose, the events that will bring him here, and the things he will do once he arrives. There is some thought that there will be two messiahs, the "Moshiach ben Yosef" who will come first to make the arrangements for the coming of the Moshiach ben David, the Redeemer of the Jews. Some ascribe what are traditionally thought of to be the works of Moshiach ben David to Moshiach ben Yosef. I find it all fascinating.
The ingathering of the exiles is often considered a precurser event to the coming of Messiah. This is the predominant thought, although there is some thought that this will be the role of the Messiah (and could be the role of Moshiach ben Yosef). That is why I am extremely curious to know this rabbi's Halachic sources for beleiving that Zionism stands in the way of Messiah.
He may in fact be one of those Jews who does not believe in Messiah at all. I don't remember seeing any reference to Messiah in his speech.
Here are some of the things he believes (much of it based on his interpretation of Islamic thought): Israel not only has a right to exist as a nation in the region, but such a right is even described in the Koran; a Jewish homeland is even described in the Koran; "And thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd,'" the Koran says in 17:104; there is no such thing as a 'Palestinian';
He has said that what the Palestinians are doing is an Islamic sin, that they are not justified in Islamic law for uprising because the only justification for it such an uprising against the government is when the government does not allow a Muslim to practice his faith.