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ROBERT E. LEE'S DEFINITION OF A GENTLEMAN
My Archives ^ | 19th Century | General Robert E. Lee in a letter to one of his sons

Posted on 01/19/2002 5:03:13 PM PST by LadyJD

LEE's DEFINITION OF A GENTLEMAN

"The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman. The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the silly-the forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light. The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others." --Robert E. Lee


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To: Polybius
I certainly could never imagine the apologist for WJC and all that he
represents; --the antithesis of Lee; who posted that line, saying it.
41 posted on 01/19/2002 7:19:13 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: LadyJD
One thing that struck me in Gen. Lee's letters was his repeated references to the needs of his army's horses. Lee's army did or didn't do this or that because the horses were exhausted. Gen. Lee went here or didn't go there, because he was trying to find decent grazing for the horses. He clearly had much affection and concern not only for his men, but also for the horses; I expect he got as much out of his horses as he got out of his men.
42 posted on 01/19/2002 7:23:36 PM PST by solzhenitsyn
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To: Polybius
"It is all my fault."

Robert E. Lee to the shattered remnants of Pickett's division.

For those who have not been to Gettysburg, you must go. All Americans should spend a day at Gettysburg at some point in their lives. In many ways, the essence of who we are as Americans is distilled in this one, hallowed place.

43 posted on 01/19/2002 7:25:05 PM PST by calmseas
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To: LadyJD
"We have but one rule here and that is that every student must be a gentleman."

Lee died in the President's House at Washington College (later to be name Washington and Lee College) on October 12, 1870.

Dubyanel bump.

44 posted on 01/19/2002 7:27:47 PM PST by Romulus
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To: LadyJD
“I have fought against the people of the North because I believed they were seeking to wrest from the South dearest rights. But I have never cherished toward them bitter or vindictive feelings. And have never seen the day when I did not pray for them.”
45 posted on 01/19/2002 7:30:59 PM PST by Romulus
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To: solzhenitsyn
He clearly had much affection and concern not only for his men, but also for the horses; I expect he got as much out of his horses as he got out of his men.

Astute observation.

One of the great works of modern literature, IMO, is Traveller by Richard Adams.

Although Adams is a contemporary writer (Watership Down) it is obvious that he is a serious student (and admirer) of Lee. You will probably not be able to put this book down once you start it. I am not going to give away any of the book's secrets because that would be a disservice to you; but I'd be willing to bet that you will feel like the reviewer below. I do. We read this book aloud to our children TWICE.

A review:

Since borrowing this book from the Public Library several years ago I have constantly searched for a copy. No other book about the Civil War had such a lingering impact on my Southern consciousness. How perfect that an animal, General Lee's beloved horse, reveals to us the stark realities of war with none of the political alignments of a human narrator. I wish this book were back in print...I would buy enough copies to insure that my family for generations to come would read it and "remember" what war really is.

A place to find a copy.

46 posted on 01/19/2002 7:49:49 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: Romulus
Please see my post #46 to the namesake of the great Russian patriot. ;^)
47 posted on 01/19/2002 7:52:21 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: Polybius
Lee and Clinton; what an interesting contrast!

Bill Clinton was president (and distracted bystander) while the United States enjoyed a period of unprecedented prosperity. Robert E. Lee, on the other hand, was the foremost military leader of a rebellion that failed catastrophically. The uprising was crushed with immense loss of life, and the breakaway states were left in poverty for generations afterward.

Barely out of the White House, President Clinton is already sinking into oblivion and irrelevance. Even most of his supporters know him for who he is -- a hollow grifter and relentless self-promoter. Over a hundred years after the crushing of the Confederacy, millions of Americans, Northerners and Southerners, hold for Gen. Lee the sort of love and unbounded esteem that only Bill Clinton will ever feel for Bill Clinton.

Maybe character does matter, after all. Maybe there are greater and higher things in life than just " ... the economy, stupid".

48 posted on 01/19/2002 8:04:47 PM PST by solzhenitsyn
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To: LadyJD
Thanks, LadyJD, I buy most of my books used. I love haunting second hand book stores; I'll keep an eye out for Traveller in my future visits. Richard Adams is certainly a fine writer; I know I'll enjoy the book.

Now I hear the soft tread of the approaching Sandman, so I bid you good night. Thank you for the remembrance and excellent discussion of a great American. A pleasant end to a good day.

49 posted on 01/19/2002 8:18:38 PM PST by solzhenitsyn
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To: tbeatty
And that is when the Constitution the founders intended was destroyed, and the federal government began to become the monster we have today.

Thanks Abe!!
50 posted on 01/19/2002 8:24:48 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: 2Trievers
The General covered what it takes pretty well, but I'll tell you what can instill the desire to become a Southern gentleman: the proximity of ladies. ;-)
51 posted on 01/20/2002 2:20:14 AM PST by Twodees
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To: LadyJD
Good morning, ma'am. One of the things General Lee said toward the end of his life was striking. He confided that, had he known the use the radicals would make of their victory, he would not have surrendered.

"The war was a conflict over grammar - whether the proper grammar was "the united States are" or "the United States is"."

Basil Gildersleeve

52 posted on 01/20/2002 2:29:39 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Thank you Twodees ... you make me (and the other FReepettes) blush!

You are the epitome of the Southern Gentleman.

53 posted on 01/20/2002 2:30:50 AM PST by 2Trievers
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To: solzhenitsyn
I can agree with your sentiments on character. I have to disagree with your assertion that Lee led a rebellion. The rebellion was against the Constitution and it was led by Lincoln. Lincoln's war was a revolution which succeeded in setting aside the Constitution's design for a limited federal republic, replacing it with a legislative democracy.

America lost that war.

54 posted on 01/20/2002 2:41:04 AM PST by Twodees
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To: 2Trievers
Your servant, ma'am. I can only try, knowing that the true epitome of Southern gentility is the man under discussion on this thread. Thank you for the compliment.
55 posted on 01/20/2002 2:45:16 AM PST by Twodees
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To: LadyJD

Review at Brandy Station

56 posted on 01/20/2002 2:53:10 AM PST by Godebert
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"The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forebearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for 'perpetual union' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession." --R.E. Lee January 23, 1861
57 posted on 01/20/2002 2:57:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LadyJD
Thanks LadyJD! Now here's some more Lee Wisdom:

To his daughter, he wrote, "I hope you will also find time to read and improve your mind. Read history, works of truth, not novels and romances. Get correct views of life, and learn to see the world in its true light. It will enable you to live pleasantly, to do good, and, when summoned away, to leave without regret."

"All that the South has ever desired was the Union as established by our forefathers should be preserved and that the government as originally organized should be administered in purity and truth."
Gen. Robert E. Lee

"We could have pursued no other course without dishonour. And as sad as the results have been, if it had all to be done over again, we should be compelled to act in precisely the same manner."
General Robert E. Lee, C.S.A.

58 posted on 01/20/2002 6:04:39 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Twodees
A BUMP FOR THE 260,000 WHO DARED AND DIED.

"The veteran Confederate soldier was a typical gentleman. He was gentle as a lamb, brave as a lion and as ferocious as a tiger when aroused. He was as proud as Lucifer, as retiring as a woman and withal a hero on the field of battle. He knelt to no God but high heaven. He asked no friend but his sword." —Col. John P. Hickman, CSA

59 posted on 01/20/2002 12:02:28 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: LadyJD
Wasn't Lee opposed to secession?
60 posted on 01/20/2002 12:10:47 PM PST by Truthsayer20
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