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To: freeeee
Who owns your body, you or your neighbor?

I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No. Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being, my property value, my children's welfare, and my community's quality.

56 posted on 01/15/2002 7:53:41 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being...

Only if you lack the character and self-restrain to refrain from drug abuse or promiscuous sexuality.

I guess if you fear that you are unable to control yourself, the next best thing is to ask government to do it for you.

63 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:24 AM PST by OWK
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To: Texaggie79
Stop posting your same illogical nonsense and go away, OK? My neighbors have no clue what the hell I do on my property, and I would suppose you have no clue what your neighbors do either. If I remember correctly, it was you who stated that you would shoot your neighbor for smoking crack in his yard, even if smoking crack in his yard was legal.
64 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:31 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Texaggie79
I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No.

What you have described is the direct threat of initiation of force, and it would directly violate libertarian philosophy. Funny you should use that as an example though, because that's precisely the means used to prevent the voluntary act of prostitution.

Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being

How?

my property value

Only because it's illegal and driven outdoors. In places where it is legal, it is centralized in certain areas, away from homes and churches. This is like any other business, say an oil refinery locating in your neighborhood. BTW, you have no right to high property values at the expense of your neighbor's property rights.

my children's welfare

How? Your children's welfare is your own responsibility. This isn't Hillary's 'village'.

and my community's quality

Communities have no rights, only individuals do.

73 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:57 AM PST by freeeee
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To: Texaggie79
I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No. Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being, my property value, my children's welfare, and my community's quality.

Apples and oranges. In a libertarian (or any) system of laws, your first example is clear-cut evidence of criminal threat. Your second example (prostitutes and drugs) would be prima facie evidence of no crime in a libertarian system---you have to define these behaviors as criminial in order to make them criminal. You're assuming that prostitution and drugs---however broadly you define them---necessarily create crime. In other words, you're not fighting the actual crimes you fear, like stick-ups or drive-bys or what have you, you're railing against what you perceive is the cause of the crime.

Why create bad law? Fight actual crime---a stick-up is a stick up whether or not the goal was to score money for crack or baby food.


75 posted on 01/15/2002 8:06:06 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Texaggie79
I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No. Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being, my property value, my children's welfare, and my community's quality.

Using the same justification, I could say that your owning an SUV degrades my environment (emmissions), endangers my children (via size-of-vehicle in accident) and destroys my communities value (offroad driving).

Also, if prostitution endangers you, then so does extramarital sex and unprotected sex or ANY sex in general (via neccessity of welfare for children).

The reason we let you have a gun is to allow others to enjoy freedoms that, yes, maybe-might-could, endanger you [just like alcohol use, or you having a gun in the first place]. (The real reason drug use endangers you is your insisting on its illegality, creating the black market and drug-related crime).

Act like a sovereign, not like a cowering thumbsucker.

269 posted on 01/15/2002 12:12:07 PM PST by mindprism.com
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