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Six Myths About Libertarianism
lewrockwell.com ^ | Jan. 15, 2002 | by Murray N. Rothbard

Posted on 01/15/2002 6:27:04 AM PST by tberry

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To: Always Right
Sure I am against the use of government force to impose religion, but government, with the blessing of Libertarians, use the government to surpress individual religious views.

I disagree with this comment, quite strongly. First you state that you are against the use of government force to impose religion, to which all Libertarians both religious and non-religious agree. Then you make the totally false claim Libertarians would use government to suppress individual religious views!! Pure ignorance! I guess you are not always right.

The right to express ones religion is just like any other property they may have, as long as the rights of others are not impinged, in Libertarian government you are free to worship, who, how, or what you may. If your religion is honorable and just, the Libertarian Government is you best defender and protector, being absent of both coersion and suppression.

61 posted on 01/15/2002 7:56:58 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: Texaggie79
I'd hate to ask you guys to use your minds.

Oh, get out of town.

62 posted on 01/15/2002 7:57:07 AM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: Texaggie79
Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being...

Only if you lack the character and self-restrain to refrain from drug abuse or promiscuous sexuality.

I guess if you fear that you are unable to control yourself, the next best thing is to ask government to do it for you.

63 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:24 AM PST by OWK
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To: Texaggie79
Stop posting your same illogical nonsense and go away, OK? My neighbors have no clue what the hell I do on my property, and I would suppose you have no clue what your neighbors do either. If I remember correctly, it was you who stated that you would shoot your neighbor for smoking crack in his yard, even if smoking crack in his yard was legal.
64 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:31 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Liberal Classic
I am seriously considering going to the Texas RLC meeting in a couple of weeks.

If we had a tangible one here in Alabama, I would have already gone.

65 posted on 01/15/2002 8:00:17 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Do I have your permission to eat lunch? Im starving! Please?
66 posted on 01/15/2002 8:01:14 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
You haven't got me my coffee yet, knave! Leaded, as you should know
67 posted on 01/15/2002 8:01:40 AM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: Texaggie79
Selling your body is a violation of your neighbor's rights.

Okay, you have my full attention. How is that a violation of your neighbor's rights?

68 posted on 01/15/2002 8:02:58 AM PST by riley1992
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To: OWK
Your extreme definition of freedom turns a blind eye to it's casualties. If you think that having a fully operational whore house, or crack user next door to your family is of no matter, you are sadly mistaken. It is impossible to allow these things without paying a hefty price in our community.
69 posted on 01/15/2002 8:03:49 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: OWK
Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being...

Only if you lack the character and self-restrain to refrain from drug abuse or promiscuous sexuality.

I guess if you fear that you are unable to control yourself, the next best thing is to ask government to do it for you.


Hrmm, maybe that's the problem. After all, even Jimmy Swaggart himself was lured by a legal prostitute into making himself unclean. Oh, wait, my bad -- prostitution was illegal, and he still managed to find one.
70 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:25 AM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: FreeTally
I own a shotgun, I guess I should be able to legally point it at whomever I choose.....
71 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Impeach the Boy
Your two myths are reflections of the much malinged Libertarian Party. Note that the claim that "Libertarianism is the fastest growing political creed in America" is absent the word "party". There is good reason for that.
72 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:51 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: Texaggie79
I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No.

What you have described is the direct threat of initiation of force, and it would directly violate libertarian philosophy. Funny you should use that as an example though, because that's precisely the means used to prevent the voluntary act of prostitution.

Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being

How?

my property value

Only because it's illegal and driven outdoors. In places where it is legal, it is centralized in certain areas, away from homes and churches. This is like any other business, say an oil refinery locating in your neighborhood. BTW, you have no right to high property values at the expense of your neighbor's property rights.

my children's welfare

How? Your children's welfare is your own responsibility. This isn't Hillary's 'village'.

and my community's quality

Communities have no rights, only individuals do.

73 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:57 AM PST by freeeee
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To: WindMinstrel; Texaggie79
You haven't got me my coffee yet, knave! Leaded, as you should know

Please, Tex, let me eat lunch, so I can get some fresh coffee too! WM is getting cranky, and I am getting SAD! Just ask CJ what happens when people get sad.....

74 posted on 01/15/2002 8:05:07 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Texaggie79
I may own a gun, but can I point it at you, thereby threaten you? No. Prostitution and drugs are an endangerment to my being, my property value, my children's welfare, and my community's quality.

Apples and oranges. In a libertarian (or any) system of laws, your first example is clear-cut evidence of criminal threat. Your second example (prostitutes and drugs) would be prima facie evidence of no crime in a libertarian system---you have to define these behaviors as criminial in order to make them criminal. You're assuming that prostitution and drugs---however broadly you define them---necessarily create crime. In other words, you're not fighting the actual crimes you fear, like stick-ups or drive-bys or what have you, you're railing against what you perceive is the cause of the crime.

Why create bad law? Fight actual crime---a stick-up is a stick up whether or not the goal was to score money for crack or baby food.


75 posted on 01/15/2002 8:06:06 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: riley1992
Same way it is illegal in some counties to have cars on blocks in your front yard.
76 posted on 01/15/2002 8:06:24 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Joe Bonforte
So far, not one anti-libertarian has torn apart one thesis from Rothbard's brief essay.

At most, we have solemn clucking over the sad fate of sinners in a free society.

If one of you so-called 'conservative' jaspers has an intelligent point to make, MAKE IT, elsewise shut up and listen, for a change.

77 posted on 01/15/2002 8:07:39 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: tberry
Dragging out some of the old stuff, aren't you?

Counter Myth #1: If the libertarianism was the fastest growing political creed, as this article states, then we would expect it's official party, the LP, to have at least 20% of the popular vote by now. In the 22 years since this was written, either the LP would better represent Libertarians, or real Libertarians would have formed their own party. But that hasn't happened.

Counter Myth #2: Libertarianism, as a political philosophy dealing with the proper role of violence, takes the universal ethic that most of us hold toward violence and applies it fearlessly to government: Take a look at the LP web site. Look at its so-called "stand" on abortion. Fearless? Hardly. Top-notch fence walking - absolutely.

78 posted on 01/15/2002 8:08:35 AM PST by kidd
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I don't fear drive-bys and stickups from the use of drugs or prostitution. I fear a deterioration in my community therefore, ultimately, a threat to mine and my family's well being.

When I point a gun at someone, it does not mean that it will fire. There is a significant threat of harm, just as with the use of hard drugs by your neighbor.

79 posted on 01/15/2002 8:08:59 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Liberal Classic
That should be a good one, them Texans are the strongest proponents of the RLC.
80 posted on 01/15/2002 8:09:32 AM PST by scottiewottie
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