[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

The 120 were speaking in an angelic language, the crowd "heard" each in his own native tongue because they were unknowingly and by the power of the Holy Ghost interpreting the tongues in their native language. Your lip syncing comment is exactly correct hence the intoxicated references. To suppose that so great an impression was made simply by demonstrating language skills is IMHO totally erroneous an utterly without logic or reason. I would mark anyone who is that easily convinced by so illogical and devoid of common sense an argument.

Your words are simply lies, vmatt. We know that they are lies because that is not what Luke recorded -- and if it is a battle of historical record and theology between you and Luke, news flash, Luke wins, you lose.

And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Luke states categorically that the Apostles spoke in the tongues of the foreign sojourners, NOT in any kind of imagined holy gibberish. THEREFORE, any who would twist and pervert (in fact, re-word entirely) the plainest words of Scripture, inventing ideas of "angelic language" into the Text which are not there in the service of buttressing their Gospel of Gibber, must be regarded as liars in the service of the Father of Lies.

You re-word Scripture to serve your own purposes! Good grief.

You can't do that. Scripture is Infallible; your personal emotivistic experiences of drooling epileptic convulsion, are not. Period.

have never been the same since and have experienced other things from this same power which would bring me even more ridicule if revealed.

Perhaps RIGHTLY so!!

Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 23: 31-32)

If the miracle of "tongues" is actually the miracle of "ears", then doesn't that completely impeach any claim you charismatics make to continuing the tradition of Pentecost? How many foreign language speakers have ever heard a modern charismatic speak in tongues and been converted? Do you Pentecostals train your missionaries in foreign languages or not? ~~ GWB

I doubt vmatt will realize this, but this ironic question is an utterly damning indictment of his position.

A case of Michelob says he'll miss your point entirely (such an easy bet for a Presbyterian to make with a Baptist... like you'd actually collect, heh heh!!)

[vmatt]

Luke states categorically that the Apostles spoke in the tongues of the foreign sojourners, NOT in any kind of imagined holy gibberish. THEREFORE, any who would twist and pervert (in fact, re-word entirely) the plainest words of Scripture, inventing ideas of "angelic language" into the Text which are not there in the service of buttressing their Gospel of Gibber, must be regarded as liars in the service of the Father of Lies.

What's this, a foreign language nobody knows out of the sixteen they learned? What is an unknown tongue my errant brother?

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

[George W. Bush]

I doubt vmatt will realize this, but this ironic question is an utterly damning indictment of his position. A case of Michelob says he'll miss your point entirely (such an easy bet for a Presbyterian to make with a Baptist... like you'd actually collect, heh heh!!)

Don't be so sure. I could always sell it quietly to the Congregationalists. BTW, I'm a little bit Hardshell Baptist myself. Naturally, I don't drink beer but will indulge a small amount of hard liquor from time to time in my home. Strictly medicinal, of course.