[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Actually, upon further reflection, I do see how the same verse which hurts full Preterism also hurts premill. BTW, does historic premill have the Second coming of Christ before the 1000 years? I'm so confused now....

Yeah, historic Pre-Mills place the return of Christ at the end of a "period of tribulation" (not necessarily a specific "seven years", historic Pre-Mills are not nearly as fond of date-setting as Dispensationals), preceding a 1,000 year bodily reign of Christ on this earth ("pre-millenial"). Then, towards the end of the Millenium, Satan is loosed for a short while, heresies lead many into rebellion against the administration of King Jesus, so God puts down the rebellion and then detonates the universe. Enter the New Heavens and the New Earth.

This eschatology has always appealed to me, as I kinda like the idea of King Jesus returning to the earth and essentially declaring to Man, "Look around, and see what a hellish mess your sinful governments and blasphemous theologies have made of this earth. Now watch, O Man, and see the goodness which will spring forth under the reign of a Rightful King and High Priest." And then Man still rebels against Him!! So characteristic of Man's nature. We are, in our natural state, sons of Adam and daughters of Eve.

Trouble is, if that chronology is accurate, then the "Day of God" when the universe melts away would hardly be coming as a "thief in the night":

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OP and Woody sitting around on deck-chairs, somewhere in the Millenial Kingdom:

"Well, well, Woody, the local paper just printed upon another litany of blasphemies against King Jesus on the editorial page. Lessee... Jesus is a "tyrant"; a "bigot"; "intolerant"; His law is "an iron chain"; calls for the citizenry to "break His bands asunder, and cast away His cords from us". Sounds like things are about to get ugly!! And, howzabout that... the calendar says it's A.R. 998 (anno rex, "year of the King"... I just made that up), so I guess that "Thief-in-the-night-Day" will be coming up pretty soon.... So, just about two more years to go. Pass the beer."

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That's the problem. 2 Peter 3: 10-12 doesn't seem to "fit" the usual pre-millenial "future history".

Doc probably has more to say than I do....

[CCWoody]

So, just about two more years to go. Pass the beer.

Not that I wouldn't mind blowing the froth off a couple with ya' but if I read literally that no man may know the hour or the day, does it automically follow that I will also not know the year? It does seem to me that we are to be watchful precisely so that we are ready but also so we may know what season we are in. Seems that there is a verse about the seasons somewhere if I can remember...

I may soon have to get out of the Historic PreMill room at the inn, but until then, I'll simply cover the label with "Secured PanMill" room. Trouble is, you guys keep throwing verses out which do tend to be hard to explain.